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re: Teacher Pay Is So Low in Some U.S. School Districts That They’re Recruiting Overseas
Posted on 5/3/18 at 9:56 am to TH03
Posted on 5/3/18 at 9:56 am to TH03
quote:Absolutely.
But it should be.
It should be selective and incredibly hard to enter.
quote:Yep, but screw them though. They can’t vote.
The only ones hurt by this shite are the ones who have done nothing: the kids.
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Posted on 5/3/18 at 9:57 am to Scruffy
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This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 5/3/18 at 9:59 am to Scruffy
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Yep, but screw them though. They can’t vote
Sadly this is probably the thought for a lot of people. Conveniently lacking the foresight to know they'll be voting one day.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:03 am to pensacola
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When one counts the benefits, time off, and defined benefit retirement plan teachers are over $100k per year in real wages with almost zero risk of getting fired.
No risk of getting fired?! Is this a fricking joke! If your worthless fricking kid tanks my scores then I can get fired. Ant that is Bull shite about teachers making over 100K a year! And BTW, I coach football so I work during the summer and late in the fall and in the spring which amounts to less than 50 cents per hour for what I get paid to coach.
I love it when people who are not teachers try to think they know what they are talking about when it come to teachers.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:07 am to WHS
Simmer down, coach.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:08 am to Scruffy
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Despite what teachers believe that they are worth, they are easily replaceable.
Their profession is not exclusive or taxing to enter. It is not selective.
This isn’t a good quality for one of the most important professions out there, but it is a result of the moronic way our education system is built.
Yea this is BS because we are seeing plenty of people with bull shite degrees becoming teachers because they couldnt find a job. The result, they are horrible teachers with 0 classroom management which result in lower test scored because they dont know what they are doing. You cant just read notes out of a book anymore, it dosnt work like that and hasnt for years and for people to think that anyone can be a teacher is wrong.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:12 am to WHS
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Yea this is BS
Says this.
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because we are seeing plenty of people with bull shite degrees becoming teachers because they couldnt find a job.
Then proves the point he was trying to refute.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:12 am to WHS
In college it took me half a semester to figure out my Indian professor was saying supplies instead of surprise.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:14 am to WHS
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I love it when people who are not teachers try to think they know what they are talking about when it come to teachers
I love it when teachers don't understand their own total compensation package.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:16 am to TH03
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But it should be.
Being a teacher cannot be exclusive or taxing to enter because we need too many of them to keep class sizes under control.
Everyone entering the profession knows EXACTLY what they are getting into...this is not a bait and switch. People entering the teaching profession at the elementary, middle school, high school levels know that their compensation will suck. They go into it for the love of teaching, the schedule, the kids, or they don't know what else to do.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:18 am to lynxcat
We don't have a shortage of doctors and lawyers and those are taxing and exclusive.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:18 am to WHS
quote:For people to think that anyone can be a GOOD teacher is wrong, but anyone can be a teacher.
for people to think that anyone can be a teacher is wrong.
That is simply the nature of the degree.
How about this, so you don’t feel “insulted”.
Scruffy is a pediatrician. In the subset of the medical field, that is not a selective career. Pediatricians are a dime a dozen. In response to this, the average pay is one of the lowest, if not the lowest, of all medical specialties.
It is the nature of not being overly selective.
Anyone who graduated medical school can be a pediatrician. That doesn’t mean that anyone can be a GOOD one.
Now, apply that characteristic to the world of general college degrees.
Earning a teaching degree is not terribly hard. Vast numbers of college students earn them yearly.
Anyone can do it because it isn’t selective.
That is the problem with teaching degrees.
If the field wants a higher average pay, make the requirements to become a teacher far more rigorous.
In return, be prepared for more intelligent applicants and the less intelligent being rejected.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:19 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Then proves the point he was trying to refute.
You totally didn't quote the rest of hist statement where he was saying the untrained people aren't worth a shite. Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:19 am to Scruffy
quote:disagree here,i mean they have to be patient,smart,drug free and not bang the students...apparently that's asking a lot.
Despite what teachers believe that they are worth, they are easily replaceable.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:20 am to Mingo Was His NameO
You can't count the time off in teacher's pay because they are not paid for that time off. Teachers are paid for working 180 days a year. They have a contract that stipulates that (the number may slightly change from district to district). So no, I am NOT getting paid during the summer, nor am I getting paid over Christmas break.
This is also why I don't complain about my pay. I know it isn't a lot but I also know I work very little over the course of a year compared to others. If I was paid for working 52 weeks a year then my pay would be very nice assuming the pay per day didn't change.
This is also why I don't complain about my pay. I know it isn't a lot but I also know I work very little over the course of a year compared to others. If I was paid for working 52 weeks a year then my pay would be very nice assuming the pay per day didn't change.
This post was edited on 5/3/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:20 am to BottomlandBrew
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You totally didn't quote the rest of hist statement where he was saying the untrained people aren't worth a shite.
Because it has no bearing on the point he was responding to.
Scruffy point: Anyone can be a teacher.
WHS point: This is BS because people with crap degrees become teachers because they can't find another job.
At no point was Scruffy arguing that these would be good teachers.
Am I having to help teachers out with reading comprehension?
This post was edited on 5/3/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:21 am to Scruffy
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Despite what teachers believe that they are worth, they are easily replaceable.
You can replace a 5* chef with a McDonald's fry cook, just don't be surprised when quality goes to shite. The ease with which they can be replaced is not the fault of teachers, but legislators who believe that just because they went to school they understand teaching.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:22 am to Wayne Campbell
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You can replace a 5* chef with a McDonald's fry cook, just don't be surprised when quality goes to shite. The ease with which they can be replaced is not the fault of teachers, but legislators who believe that just because they went to school they understand teaching.
You must have missed this part of his post:
quote:
This isn’t a good quality for one of the most important professions out there, but it is a result of the moronic way our education system is built.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:22 am to TH03
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We don't have a shortage of doctors and lawyers and those are taxing and exclusive.
Those careers provide strong financial upside that doesn't exist in teaching...
Even so, there is a shortage of physicians.
U.S. Faces Doctor Shortage Despite Specialist Growth
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The U.S. will face a shortage of between 61,700 and 94,700 doctors by 2025, the AAMC said . In particular, the U.S. is currently experiencing a severe shortage of general surgeons. Physician staffing firm MerrittHawkins has also reported similar trends, particularly among psychiatrists, according to a company report. The number of active psychiatrists dropped 1.4% over five years to 37,736 in 2015 from 38,289 in 2010, the AAMC report said.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 10:24 am to BigB0882
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So no, I am NOT getting paid during the summer, nor am I getting paid over Christmas break.
Nobody said you are. You are getting paid $59k (national average) for 9 months of work.
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