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re: Teacher forced to resign after student steals her phone and shares nude pics
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:31 pm to shel311
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:31 pm to shel311
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Why are you?
Because you said it was the crux of the debate
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Are you insinuating that no one who disagrees with you should argue this?
No, I'm merely stating that as my opinin. You gave yours, I gave mine.
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:32 pm to AwesomeSauce
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Exchanging pictures with one's spouse is illegal?
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So in a complete hypothetical, not this exact situation, if someone commits a theft but in doing so, uncovers something you're doing illegally, you'd say that's irrelevant and that point should be dropped and you get a free pass for breaking the law because someone was committing a theft?
quote:Is there a specific policy about having your own porn at school? Looks like no, but I assume there is a catch all policy they can file it under, so it likely still applies.
You are implying a law where one does not in fact exist. It is in fact illegal for her to give the student a picture but not illegal for her to have one. Is it good practice? No, but that does not make it illegal.
Every company I've ever worked for has vague, catch all policies, unless you want a 1 billion page HR handbook.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:33 pm to shel311
Those are some serious mental gymnastics. Don't hurt yourself, kid
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:33 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:You asked me why I was arguing it, seemed odd.
No, I'm merely stating that as my opinin. You gave yours, I gave mine.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:34 pm to upgrayedd
quote:You mean the specific quotes in back to back posts that were very obvious and easy to read that you misread?
Those are some serious mental gymnastics
Mental gymnastics, I call it simple reading comprehension.
quote:You've lost this argument so bad, it's painful to even watch you breakdown and continue on with these types of comments. Sucks, I'm sure.
Don't hurt yourself, kid
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:35 pm to shel311
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I already said the kid should face harsh punishment, what are you talking about?
just responding to how hard were the pix to access...
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:39 pm to shel311
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Is there a specific policy about having your own porn at school? Looks like no, but I assume there is a catch all policy they can file it under, so it likely still applies.
Every company I've ever worked for has vague, catch all policies, unless you want a 1 billion page HR handbook.
Fine then, I'm sure there is also a catch all for use of four letter words. Teacher sends frick in a message to a friend. Kid breaks into teachers phone and tweets that out. Is the teacher still terminated?
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:40 pm to AwesomeSauce
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Is the teacher still terminated?
Depends, how easy was it to access the phone?
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:41 pm to NoHoTiger
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NoHoTiger
How you doin sessi?!
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:43 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:Ok, so now give me your thoughts on the gun example i gave earlier if that's a "fine then"
Fine then
You may not agree with it entirely, but I assume that a "fine then" is something like a "fair enough" or "fair point", so apply that to the gun example.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:46 pm to AwesomeSauce
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How you doin sessi?!
Not too bad...Think I'm gonna go home and scrub my phone lest any little rugrats try to destroy me.
How you doin?
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:51 pm to shel311
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apply that to the gun example.
This is actually a several parter:
1. If you bring a gun into a "Gun Free Zone" you are knowingly violating the law.
2. Someone breaking into my car and stealing the gun is still breaking into my car and stealing the gun. Both illegal.
3. I will probably be issued a ticket or arrested whatever the statute demands for a gun in the "Gun Free Zone".
4. Does not negate the crimes committed by the other person.
FYI: When you give the scenarios, even though you may not realize it or specifially state it, you are implying that the teacher did something illegal. That's why people keep stating the teacher did nothing illegal.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:52 pm to shel311
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I assume that a "fine then" is something like a "fair enough" or "fair point"
More like when my niece is being a 3 year old and I cannot get her to listen so I stop trying and decide to focus my efforts elsewhere.
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gun example
Is a completely different animal. For one it's a felony and is something that is obviously against policy. This teacher was fired for something that occurred off school property intended for her spouse, that someone committed a crime in order to find remnants of.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:53 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:Thats my exact premise for the teacher, fwiw. Both are responsible for their roles imo
3. I will probably be issued a ticket or arrested whatever the statute demands for a gun in the "Gun Free Zone".
4. Does not negate the crimes committed by the other person
quote:Fair point but I've done my best to delineate between the 2.
FYI: When you give the scenarios, even though you may not realize it or specifially state it, you are implying that the teacher did something illegal. That's why people keep stating the teacher did nothing illegal.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:54 pm to NoHoTiger
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Not too bad...Think I'm gonna go home and scrub my phone lest any little rugrats try to destroy me.
I'd be more than happy to assist.
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How you doin?
Countdown to parking lot is on, so doing better than I have all day.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:56 pm to AwesomeSauce
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More like when my niece is being a 3 year old and I cannot get her to listen so I stop trying and decide to focus my efforts elsewhere
I don't know how you guys get through everyday real life disagreements, man.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:57 pm to shel311
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Thats my exact premise for the teacher, fwiw. Both are responsible for their roles imo
Your analogy is not analogous. That's the problem. In the gun case, there is responsiblity, in the teacher case there isn't.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:58 pm to Darth_Vader
She will get paid. Idiots.
Now, don't be dumb and keep nude pics on your phone.
Now, don't be dumb and keep nude pics on your phone.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:59 pm to AwesomeSauce
The teacher did nothing wrong. Her privacy was violated, then some laws about sending objectionable material were broken by the thief.
You can access porn from a phone so nobody should have phones in school? Computers?
The fault lies with the little bastard who has not yet learned to keep his mitts off of other people's property. There is a reason they call it" Her phone".
He should be charged.
You can access porn from a phone so nobody should have phones in school? Computers?
The fault lies with the little bastard who has not yet learned to keep his mitts off of other people's property. There is a reason they call it" Her phone".
He should be charged.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:00 pm to NoHoTiger
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Implying that as long as it's easy to access it's not the kid's fault is pretty much saying it's not the kid's fault.
These things aren't mutually exclusive. To say the kid is guilty of wrongdoing does not suddenly make it okay to have it in the first place. No one is defending the kid to say they did nothing wrong. But, if it is that easy to access, it's probably improper for the teacher to have at the school. If the teacher had a home made sex tape. It's just a blank DVD in her purse. Nothing to say this is porn. Kid takes it and watches it. That's more theft than looking into a phone. Would you say it was okay for the teacher to have that DVD are school in the first place. It's private property. You have to steal it to look at it.
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