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re: Teacher forced to resign after student steals her phone and shares nude pics
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:00 pm to NoHoTiger
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:00 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:she got fired for her responsibility.
Your analogy is not analogous. That's the problem. In the gun case, there is responsiblity, in the teacher case there isn't.
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:02 pm to KG6
quote:finally got someone on my side
These things aren't mutually exclusive. To say the kid is guilty of wrongdoing does not suddenly make it okay to have it in the first place. No one is defending the kid to say they did nothing wrong. But, if it is that easy to access, it's probably improper for the teacher to have at the school. If the teacher had a home made sex tape. It's just a blank DVD in her purse. Nothing to say this is porn. Kid takes it and watches it. That's more theft than looking into a phone. Would you say it was okay for the teacher to have that DVD are school in the first place. It's private property. You have to steal it to look at it.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:03 pm to shel311
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she got fired for her responsibility.
Your analogies are still not analogous. You are attempting to make parallel a legal act and an illegal act. They are not the same thing. That's their stated reason for firing her. Does not make what she did illegal and it does not make the gun and phone incidents analogous.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:04 pm to shel311
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I don't know how you guys get through everyday real life disagreements, man.
I lean forward place my hands where they can't see me smirk and tell them that's all, can you close the door on the way out. To be honest though most disagreements end with, "I never thought of it that way..." "How do you know this stuff..." "When you run for Congress can I work in your campaign..." or something along those lines.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:05 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:
"When you run for Congress
Can I be your intern? I promise not keep anything incriminating on my phone.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:07 pm to shel311
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:07 pm to shel311
I was here first. Haha. We keep talking about private property. I don't care if property was stolen. Separate issue that the kid has to deal with. Private property can be inappropriate to have at work though.
I've said it earlier, but reiterate. I think know it's a terrible position to have to be in. I am not FOR firing her. I am merely stating that the school board should have the right to. She brought something seemingly unable to get into students hands, but it did.
I've said it earlier, but reiterate. I think know it's a terrible position to have to be in. I am not FOR firing her. I am merely stating that the school board should have the right to. She brought something seemingly unable to get into students hands, but it did.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:08 pm to KG6
quote:This is something physical that she very well knows what is on it. What are the chances she sent the photos then deleted the messages but forgot to delete from icloud or from her camera roll? Let's say she was prescribed oxy for a back ache and the student stole it from her purse and gave it out to kids. Should she be fired?
Would you say it was okay for the teacher to have that DVD are school in the first place.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:11 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:Agree to disagree
Your analogies are still not analogous. You are attempting to make parallel a legal act and an illegal act. They are not the same thing. That's their stated reason for firing her. Does not make what she did illegal and it does not make the gun and phone incidents analogous.
I think they are analogous, and I think all the reasons the gun owner would face a penalty apply to why the teacher should face a penalty.
And as I said before, I do think how easily the kid was able to access her stuff should matter as to her responsibility. Again, I think that part is a pretty reasonable take.
But yea, the obvious crux of the entire debate is whether having those pics on her phone violates a policy. I think it does, others think it doesn't.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:12 pm to NoHoTiger
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Can I be your intern? I promise not keep anything incriminating
I will never run. It's a joke because I enjoy debate. However if that changes you will be on top of the list for desk intern. How are your ora...err communication skills?
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:13 pm to KG6
quote:I like this guy!
I was here first. Haha. We keep talking about private property. I don't care if property was stolen. Separate issue that the kid has to deal with. Private property can be inappropriate to have at work though. I've said it earlier, but reiterate. I think know it's a terrible position to have to be in. I am not FOR firing her. I am merely stating that the school board should have the right to. She brought something seemingly unable to get into students hands, but it did
And yes, credit to you as I came into the thread later.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:16 pm to AwesomeSauce
If it's against the rules to have prescription medicine. Even forgetting, they have the grounds to fire you. I'm not saying I agree and am for it. Merely pointing out they have the grounds to do so.
In this case the medium that it is on and the fact that you commonly have a phone make no difference ultimately. To say a dvd is physical compared to a phone is trying to twist this. The image is in the room, it's on private proerty, and it can be accessed (through theft). It is directly analogous to having a dvd.
In this case the medium that it is on and the fact that you commonly have a phone make no difference ultimately. To say a dvd is physical compared to a phone is trying to twist this. The image is in the room, it's on private proerty, and it can be accessed (through theft). It is directly analogous to having a dvd.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:20 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:
How are your ora...err communication skills?
Well I don't conflate incongruent ideas and then get upset when people misunderstand me. So, I've got that going for me.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:20 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:she admitted to taking the pics, she knows they're on her phone.
This is something physical that she very well knows what is on it.
I'd have to check the articles again, I think she said as much.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:24 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:I surely hope that wasn't directed towards me lol.
and then get upset when people misunderstand me
Maybe that upayyd person who got real mad, oddly?
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:25 pm to shel311
she admitted to taking the pics, she knows they're on her phone.
I'd have to check the articles again, I think she said as much.
The DVD has zero purpose or reason to be on her. Her phone has a plethora of reasons.
Of course she knew she took them, it doesn't however state if she still knew they were on her phone. Images can be cached in different areas and still be accessible if one knows where to look (a teenage boy does, a 30ish year old woman... maybe not).
I'd have to check the articles again, I think she said as much.
The DVD has zero purpose or reason to be on her. Her phone has a plethora of reasons.
Of course she knew she took them, it doesn't however state if she still knew they were on her phone. Images can be cached in different areas and still be accessible if one knows where to look (a teenage boy does, a 30ish year old woman... maybe not).
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:27 pm to shel311
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I surely hope that wasn't directed towards me lol.
not specifically...just a statement
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Maybe that upayyd person who got real mad, oddly?
he's in another thread
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:28 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:I don't think that's relevant, the same type of thing was still accessed, whether from phone or DVD. The nudies were taken, the phone was a storage for the nudies, just like the DVD was.
The DVD has zero purpose or reason to be on her. Her phone has a plethora of reasons.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:32 pm to shel311
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I don't think that's relevant,
but it is relevant...information on a dvd can only be accessed by playing that dvd...digital information, even if originally recorded and stored on a physical device, can be accessed by means other than that physical device (i.e. the cloud), even after being removed from that physical device.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:33 pm to KG6
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f it's against the rules
It was established in the article that her having them on her phone was not against any policy.
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Even forgetting, they have the grounds to fire you.
Sounds more to me like an angry mom went off who knew someone and the principal caved.
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they have the grounds to do so
I'm sure her teacher's union have some lawyers who will disagree and hopefully prove that this is incorrect.
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the fact that you commonly have a phone make no difference
VS a Playboy or homemade pron DVD that people carry everywhere?!
quote:With a DVD it is known its saved here. With a phone if someone sends a picture using messaging or another medium often times an image can remain cached in various places. If the teacher did not know where all to delete, then it could still be accessible even if she thought it was gone.
To say a dvd is physical compared to a phone is trying to twist this
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