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re: Teacher forced to resign after student steals her phone and shares nude pics

Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:00 pm to
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:00 pm to
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Still wondering what the response is to this one.

Vandalism?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:00 pm to
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I'm pretty sure it's not illegal for me to have porn on my phone as long as the party is of legal age and consented. Have MY image on MY phone is not illegal.
I can get fired from my job for plenty of things that aren't illegal.

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If I leave my house unlocked, that does not imply that someone, anyone, can come inside and take my things for their own personal use
Who here has absolved the kid of his responsibility in this matter?

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While it's prudent to lock a door (or a phone) not doing so does not mean that I'm giving consent for others to take my property.
Anyone in this thread say otherwise?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:01 pm to


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As it has been pointed out, this is all you need to know.


Correct. Shouldn't go any further than this
Posted by NoHoTiger
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:03 pm to
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yea it's a huge freaking difference than if nothing is protected and he could very easily access content not allowed at school.

Nope no different at all. He still took property that belonged to someone else without their permission.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:03 pm to
degrees of wrong are irrelevant?!

You just said that if the kid HACKED into the phone, it would be a big deal.

So you're saying having nudes on a phone that's password protected, it's ok. If it's unprotected, it's wrong.

You know what that's called? Different degrees of wrong.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:03 pm to
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now we got qualifiers to theft?! and mischief and malice? stolen isn't good enuf? wtf?!
I already said the kid should face harsh punishment, what are you talking about?
Posted by AwesomeSauce
Das Boot
Member since May 2015
11633 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:03 pm to
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Degrees of wrong is irrelevant, the only question is whether it is wrong/against the rules.

Should you or should you not get in trouble for having the gun in the gun free zone?

It is as relevant as how easy it is for one to access another person's private property. Which you said is very so which is it? You can't have it both ways.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:04 pm to
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It doesn't matter how easy it is to access it. If you knowingly take someone else's property without their permission, you have stolen that person's property
When did I say otherwise?

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I think I've read anything that said, "it's not really theft if it's easy to take. Next time make your stuff difficult to take and we'll call it theft."
I don't know what this means.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139229 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:05 pm to
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I'd love to see the list of policies you'd have to create to literally cover every single possible incident to appease.

Like possessiong porn for a teach at a school with minors is all hunky dory, no big deal. Sure thing.


Ok, so which policy did she kinda sorta violate?
Posted by NoHoTiger
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:05 pm to
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Who here has absolved the kid of his responsibility in this matter?

You have you fricking tard. Implying that as long as it's easy to access it's not the kid's fault is pretty much saying it's not the kid's fault.
Posted by DeoreDX
Member since Oct 2010
4381 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:09 pm to
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Like possessiong porn for a teach at a school with minors is all hunky dory, no big deal. Sure thing.


She didn't have porn. She had pictures of herself nude. It's not like the student sent out videos of her being spit roasted. A more fitting analogy is what if the student walked up to her and ripped her blouse open for the whole class to see. Is there a major difference having her nudity hidden on a phone v. by a blouse? And if the student displayed the nudity to other students via assault instead of theft?
Posted by AwesomeSauce
Das Boot
Member since May 2015
11633 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:09 pm to
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It doesn't matter how easy it is to access it.
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When did I say otherwise?
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shel311
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But in general, yea if the kid had to hack into her phone bypassing security stops, yea it's a huge freaking difference than if nothing is protected and he could very easily access content
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Did he have a tough time accessing it, yes or no?
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Are you saying the kid had a tough time accessing it?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:09 pm to
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Nope no different at all. He still took property that belonged to someone else without their permission.
Again, not arguing his side, already said he needs to face harsh punishment.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:09 pm to
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Correct. Shouldn't go any further than this
Whether her private property violated a school policy isn't important, in the least?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:11 pm to
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degrees of wrong are irrelevant?!
For the sake of my point, yes. Obviously not in real terms.

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You just said that if the kid HACKED into the phone, it would be a big deal. So you're saying having nudes on a phone that's password protected, it's ok. If it's unprotected, it's wrong. You know what that's called? Different degrees of wrong.
AGAIN, not talking about the kid's wrongness, already said he's wrong and should face harsh punishment like 4 times now.

We've been talking all along about whether the teacher should be fired or take some responsibility, now all of a sudden you're magically talking about the student, not sure why.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139229 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:11 pm to
Once again, which policy did she violate?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:12 pm to
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It is as relevant as how easy it is for one to access another person's private property. Which you said is very so which is it? You can't have it both ways.
How the kid was able to access the info is obviously important in determining the teacher's role/responsibility in this, not sure why anyone would disagree with that.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:13 pm to
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Ok, so which policy did she kinda sorta violate?


Too funny.

Plus, I already addressed that specific question.
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
Member since Nov 2006
46211 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:13 pm to
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We've been talking all along about whether the teacher should be fired

This is up to the school board...and this is not what you have been arguing.
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take some responsibility

No. It is never your fault when someone else takes your property. That is all on the student.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139229 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:13 pm to
The point is that you said it's only wrong as long as she doesn't take precautions to safeguard the pics.
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