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re: Sweden is moving away from its no-lockdown strategy amid rising coronavirus cases
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:18 pm to BreesyInBigEasy
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:18 pm to BreesyInBigEasy
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Eventual herd immunity and not achieving it yet are two different things.
They don’t look like they’re going to reach it anytime soon.
And of the virus has mutated to a weaker strain than what’s the point?
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They are further along without shutting down the economy
But their economy isn’t doing better than their neighbors who did shut down.
So?
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Why are other places seeing spikes? What is allowable and when do you stop shutting down the economy? How many outbreaks or spikes?
Sweden is seeing the same spike in cases as their neighbors.
They also are seeing the same drop in mortalities, with a much higher peak.
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:20 pm to SammyTiger
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But their economy isn’t doing better than their neighbors who did shut down.
So?
So....they didn't fricking shut down? They didn't stop kids from going to school? The didn't implement stupid fricking mask mandates?
Jesus H Christ, do you dumbfricks just enjoy having the government dictate every goddamn part of your day and decide who can and cannot run their business or where you're allowed to spend your money?
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:22 pm to Scruffy
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We are so astronomically wrong, that I can’t even figure out where to start fixing it.
There is no fixing it. Because a good chunk of this country don't want to fix it because it gives them an excuse. It makes them a victim.
And being a victim is the number one goal for a majority of this country.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:22 pm to Centinel
I'm curious to know what cases and deaths Norway is actually counting, as their neighbors seem way off. They have almost 5 mil people to Swedens' 10 mil but Sweden has had over 106,000 cases while Norway has only had 16,500?
Is Norway the only country in the world where masks have worked properly?
Is Norway the only country in the world where masks have worked properly?
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:23 pm to Street Hawk
People die, that's the only thing each and every one of us is guaranteed. Sometimes nature throws us a curveball and people die. Sometimes communists try to play mother nature and completely fumble it. They should be made to pay dearly, but its not going to stop the cold from spreading and killing very weak people.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:29 pm to Centinel
The numbers make you look like a fricking idiot.
20x the deaths
No economic benefits.
No immunity.
This wasn’t the right move outside a small argument for complete individual Freedom.
Which wasn’t even Sweden’s intent.
20x the deaths
No economic benefits.
No immunity.
This wasn’t the right move outside a small argument for complete individual Freedom.
Which wasn’t even Sweden’s intent.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:30 pm to SammyTiger
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This wasn’t the right move outside a small argument for complete individual Freedom.
there is literally no way to determine this yet
what do you think is going to happen to other countries as they begin to open up?
what do you think is going to happen if they have multi year shut downs?
we won't know who "won" this till probably 5 years from now
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:33 pm to BreesyInBigEasy
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Some countries also only report Covid 19 hospital deaths and not all countries test the same way. Looking at the data from just 1 angle is a great way to make false assumptions
This is the big thing when it comes to comparing countries. You can't, because not everything is reported the same way.
Sweden includes deaths within 30 days of a positive test. Much of the USA is the same way, I believe, with some places even counting those within 60 days.
Months back I read that some of the other Nordic countries were only counting hospital deaths, rather than deaths from elsewhere (home or nursing homes). Not sure if that's truly the case.
Though, a big factor to look at is past flu deaths. Countries that had bad flu seasons recently fared better with SARS 2.0 than countries that had mild flu seasons (dry tinder).
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:33 pm to SammyTiger
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20x the deaths
No matter how many ways you try to manipulate the data to make it scary, it's still only 6k deaths. That is a rounding error.
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No economic benefits.
Uh, I'd say the ability for businesses to have the decision to stay open up to them, and the decision of whether to shop their or not up to the people is one fricking hell of benefit you statist sack of shite.
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No immunity.
You have no evidence of this.
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This wasn’t the right move outside a small argument for complete individual Freedom.
This was 100% the right move based on maintaining individual freedoms and the correct response to a virus that has only managed to kill %0.05 of the population you jackass.
Go profess your Cult somewhere else.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:35 pm to yatesdog38
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If America has the best healthcare system in the world why is our death rate higher than other countries?
Instead of looking at the US death rate as a whole try looking at it in a state by state basis since US states are very similar in size to many other countries. If you look at the statistics per state there are two glaring outliers for the US, NY and NJ. Their death per 100k is triple that of the US average. Those two states account for about 23% of all US deaths. Instead of saying "What is the US doing wrong" perhaps we should be singling out those states and saying "what are these states doing wrong".
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:36 pm to DeoreDX
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Instead of saying "What is the US doing wrong" perhaps we should be singling out those states and saying "what are these states doing wrong".
You know why you can't say things like this.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:38 pm to Centinel
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it's still only 6k deaths. That is a rounding error.
And again, with a median age of 86. Countries with lots of really old people have more Covid deaths. Most countries have very, very few old people.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:40 pm to Centinel
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No matter how many ways you try to manipulate the data to make it scary, it's still only 6k deaths. That is a rounding error.
20x the number of deaths as their neighbor.
Remember they still recommended social distancing and working from home when possible.
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Uh, I'd say the ability for businesses to have the decision to stay open up to them, and the decision of whether to shop their or not up to the people is one fricking hell of benefit you statist sack of shite.
Their businesses still suffered. Their economy still Shrank. They still had the highest unemployment in their region.
The economic benefits weren’t there.
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You have no evidence of this.
I do. They are still catching the virus.
They are by definition, not immune.
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This was 100% the right move based on maintaining individual freedoms and the correct response to a virus that has only managed to kill %0.05 of the population you jackass.
.05% is a fricking lot for to protect the individual freedom to spread a communicable disease.
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Go profess your Cult somewhere else.
You’re the one who’s supporting human sacrifices and ignoring data.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:42 pm to SammyTiger
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Sweden is seeing the same spike in cases as their neighbors.
They also are seeing the same drop in mortalities, with a much higher peak.
So then it sounds like there's no difference between locking down and not locking down? It's almost like we have little to no control of the virus. We should def alter our lives and futures, though.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:44 pm to SammyTiger
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I do. They are still catching the virus.
They are by definition, not immune.
No one has ever suggested that Sweden achieved herd immunity such that they have eliminated Covid. But because of their approach they have achieved substantial immunity that is keeping them in a good situation. A lot of countries that locked down and are taking populations with little immunity into winter are about to have a really hard time.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:45 pm to SammyTiger
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20x the number of deaths as their neighbor.
Still only 6k people.
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Their businesses still suffered. Their economy still Shrank. They still had the highest unemployment in their region.
But it was their decision under the free market, not by government fiat.
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The economic benefits weren’t there.
Oh, so it should only be a free market if it's an economic benefit, otherwise the government should decide who wins and loses?
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.05% is a fricking lot
No, it's not.
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You’re the one who’s supporting human sacrifices and ignoring data.
Of course you think individual freedom equates with human sacrifice. You're a statist thug.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:45 pm to Topo Chico
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So then it sounds like there's no difference between locking down and not locking down? It's almost like we have little to no control of the virus. We should def alter our lives and futures, though.
Except that Sweden’s spike is significantly higher.
Go look at the numbers there is a HUGE difference.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:49 pm to SammyTiger
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Except that Sweden’s spike is significantly higher.
Go look at the numbers there is a HUGE difference.
Going from five to ten is a 100% increase. A HUGE difference.
You ignore actual numbers and only focus on increase in percentages because that's the narrative you want to push to justify increased government control.
You're a good little useful idiot.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:50 pm to Centinel
If you’re arguing they benefited from a free market shouldn’t they have actually benefited?
If their economy sucks and they have more deaths you’re basically just saying it the deaths were worth the benefit of failing on their own.
If your population? Yes it is.
I’m just smart enough to point out that this is a communicable disease. Spreading it to others isn’t an individual freedom. You’re right to swing your arm ends at my face.
If their economy sucks and they have more deaths you’re basically just saying it the deaths were worth the benefit of failing on their own.
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No, it's not.
If your population? Yes it is.
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Of course you think individual freedom equates with human sacrifice. You're a statist thug.
I’m just smart enough to point out that this is a communicable disease. Spreading it to others isn’t an individual freedom. You’re right to swing your arm ends at my face.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:50 pm to SammyTiger
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Except that Sweden’s spike is significantly higher.
Go look at the numbers there is a HUGE difference.
lets see what the 2nd and 3rd spikes look like
I'm willing to bet that Sweden will be very low compared to Norway and Finland
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