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re: Sweden is moving away from its no-lockdown strategy amid rising coronavirus cases
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:44 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:44 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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1/day is current death rate.
Thank you Ronaldo.
These people are indeed Mongoloids.
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:46 am to Centinel
Ahhh may the winds of uncertainty and fear rain upon the guilty lol.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:49 am to Street Hawk
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Sweden has recorded a much higher per capita death rate than its neighbors since adopting this strategy. It had recorded 5,918 deaths as of Sunday, compared with 278 in Norway and 346 in Finland.
Now compare their population density and the fact that Sweden actually has an international city.
North Dakota probably has some low totals too
Edit: Stockholm has almost 12k people per square mile. (New Orleans 2.3k, 15k London, 4.2k for Oslo which is Norway’s largest city)
Compare Sweden to similar sized cities with similar travel and it looks pretty successful
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 11:55 am
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:55 am to BreesyInBigEasy
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Now compare their population density and the fact that Sweden actually has an international city.
People per square mile
Sweden 59
Norway 43
Finland 42
Denmark 349
Covid Deaths
Sweden 5918
Norway 278
Finland 351
Denmark 686
Yup, you’ve cracked it.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:02 pm to SammyTiger
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Yeah but Swedes are community minded and conscientious .
New Orleans was having fricking second lines.
NOLA's death rate from COVID may as well be nonexistent. May want to try ta different example to keep spreading the fear.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:03 pm to upgrayedd
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Love how the local governments have to get permission just to “ask”.
You literally can’t get more Swedish than that
So true. They are a polite, orderly people and most will probably comply without question -- if asked politely. Of course, this does not include the no-go zones.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:03 pm to SammyTiger
Pretty significant difference in the population density of the first 3 especially when comparing the actually cities.
Not to mention that Stockholm is actually an international city that was exposed earlier
Not to mention that Stockholm is actually an international city that was exposed earlier
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:04 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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You mongoloids keep repeating this, but the 1 per day thing is the current rate of COVID deaths there.
More than that but they've maxed out at 6 in a day for the past 3 months. This article is fricking retarded.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:13 pm to junkfunky
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More than that but they've maxed out at 6 in a day for the past 3 months. This article is fricking retarded.
That chart you posted is a clear illustration of a successful strategy for dealing with the pandemic. Didn't shut down society, didn't stop educating their children. If only we had the clear thinking and courage to follow the correct course.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:16 pm to lsupride87
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5,918 deaths
For a population of 10.23 million
Louisiana has a population of 4.6 million and they have 5,550 deaths
The rwality of the situation is that we are falsely attributing deaths to the virus and Sweden likely is not.
I would be willing to bet our actual deaths are nearly identical. Regardless of any other health statistics.
The comorbidity claim honestly hasn't been all that accurate from the cases I've seen in friends and family.
In my family, anyone who has had it has had a mild cold.
In the old lady's family they basically all got it. The only person who had more than a fever and sniffles is the matriarch who happens to be 87. And even she was fine. She has every health issue under the son.
Alternately had a friend get it, obese smoker. She was fine. Her husband, an avid cyclist in great shape, died.
The only true thing I've seen across every story or obituary is that those who are old and have a darker skin complexion are higher risk.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:21 pm to SloaneRanger
Except they are still seeing a second wave of cases their neighbors are seeing. It’s clear they didn’t build a herd immunity anymore than their neighbors.
I think We have seen across the board a decreased mortality rate. Which is great.
So does Sweden look better not protecting the population when it was worse?
I think We have seen across the board a decreased mortality rate. Which is great.
So does Sweden look better not protecting the population when it was worse?
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:21 pm to X123F45
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The rwality of the situation is that we are falsely attributing deaths to the virus and Sweden likely is not.
Sweden’s excess mortality rate compared to
previous years did peak at 47% in April, but it then dropped to normal and then negative by September 6, lower than Norway (-3%, Finland 0% and Denmark 4%).
We’ve yet to see the future health impacts in shutdown countries.
Some countries also only report Covid 19 hospital deaths and not all countries test the same way. Looking at the data from just 1 angle is a great way to make false assumptions
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:27 pm to SammyTiger
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Except they are still seeing a second wave of cases their neighbors are seeing. It’s clear they didn’t build a herd immunity anymore than their neighbors.
How do you think herd immunity works? It would be foolish to think Sweden had already accomplished that with their cases vs population.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:30 pm to BreesyInBigEasy
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How do you think herd immunity works? It would be foolish to think Sweden had already accomplished that with their cases vs population.
So what is their benefit? A slightly less tanking of their economy?
Exponential deaths without herd immunity doesnt seem like a success from a health standpoint.
If Finland, Norway or Denmark were seeing a spike in deaths maybe, but they aren’t.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:32 pm to LSUCanFAN
6000 deaths out of 30 million isn't worth shutting down society. If you believe in lockdowns, you should believe in banning smoking, alcohol, forced diets, cars that won't travel faster than 40 mph. All of those kill millions and would help the healthcare system both in costs and liveds saved. Oh it's unreasonable to try and stop people from smoking or eating an inappropriate diet?
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:34 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Considering the long term stability that they have maintained economically and socially, yes, Scruffy does believe they look much better.
So does Sweden look better not protecting the population when it was worse?
Social and economic collapse leads to social upheaval, which leads to unrest, which leads to governmental intervention, and often draconian governmental measures.
Hell, economic and social instability leads to wars.
ISO, maintaining social stability is far more important, and we are seeing issues arising in many countries out there, including the USA.
Sweden took the most stable action.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:38 pm to Scruffy
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Considering the long term stability that they have maintained economically and socially, yes, Scruffy does believe they look much better.
Their economy did better but it still shrunk 8.6% from April to June.
They did better than France/Spain/Italy but not better than their neighbors. Their unemployment rate is highest in the Nordic countries too.
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Social and economic collapse leads to social upheaval, which leads to unrest, which leads to governmental intervention, and often draconian governmental measures.
Has that happened in Norway, Denmark or Finland?
I’m not saying one size fits all, but I’m using those countries as examples because of their similar cultures.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:40 pm to Scruffy
People see this as cruel, but it is a non-emotional state that occurs in nearly every situation, especially in medicine, called triaging.
This is simply triaging on a nation state scale.
What will likely be the long term consequences for Sweden compared, to say, Louisiana?
NO lost countless businesses within its main industry (tourism-related). Multitude of other cities crushed financially.
Hell, look at NYC, countless business closures and now the threat of “work from home” may have a significant impact on the business rental industry since in house businesses aren’t going to be as prominent.
Every decision has consequences.
The question is, which decision will have a more lasting impact?
This is simply triaging on a nation state scale.
What will likely be the long term consequences for Sweden compared, to say, Louisiana?
NO lost countless businesses within its main industry (tourism-related). Multitude of other cities crushed financially.
Hell, look at NYC, countless business closures and now the threat of “work from home” may have a significant impact on the business rental industry since in house businesses aren’t going to be as prominent.
Every decision has consequences.
The question is, which decision will have a more lasting impact?
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:48 pm to SammyTiger
I thought It was pretty well understood that Sweden's high mortality rate was due to how they treated the elderly, not the lack of a lockdown.
Sweden had a similar approach as NY with how to handle the sick elderly, except theirs was kind of intentional. They basically said if you were sick and over 80, tough titties. No hospital for you.
They have acknowledged that they handled the elderly poorly (Unlike Cuomo in NY). The early deaths aren't a good point of data to indicate that a lockdown free strategy was ineffective.
Sweden had a similar approach as NY with how to handle the sick elderly, except theirs was kind of intentional. They basically said if you were sick and over 80, tough titties. No hospital for you.
They have acknowledged that they handled the elderly poorly (Unlike Cuomo in NY). The early deaths aren't a good point of data to indicate that a lockdown free strategy was ineffective.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:49 pm to SammyTiger
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Except they are still seeing a second wave of cases their neighbors are seeing. It’s clear they didn’t build a herd immunity anymore than their neighbors.
Really? You want to compare where Sweden is now next to France, Spain, the UK, etc? Just look at the chart posted above showing daily deaths. IDGAF about "cases." Saban was a "case." No one is dying in Sweden, or at least not very many. There will always be "cases." Sweden got it right. Fauci, et al got it spectacularly wrong.
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