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re: Swaggart has Passed
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:59 pm to NatalbanyTigerFan
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:59 pm to NatalbanyTigerFan
At least Baby Billy was honest about what he wanted
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Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:01 pm to SCwTiger
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Obviously we have a bunch of perfect people here. At least enough to be judgmental.
This is tigerdroppings. If we can’t make fun of Swaggart for being a connoisseur of gross street hookers, than what’s the point?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:02 pm to ATrillionaire
He was so entertaining though.
But, At least God did not hold him hostage, like Oral Roberts
But, At least God did not hold him hostage, like Oral Roberts
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:08 pm to SCwTiger
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Obviously we have a bunch of perfect people here. At least enough to be judgmental.
Perfect?
But I also have never cheated on anyone, much less with a hooker.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:12 pm to RanchoLaPuerto
Who’s in charge now over there?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:15 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
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The man did good for many people. If one person changed their life to positive because of him, then it was a life well lived. He built some great buildings off Bluebonnet and contributed to our city. He made one mistake and gets torched by people who have done way worse themselves.
Rest in peace Mr Swaggart.
Dude literally bilked hundreds of millions of dollars out of the bank accounts of old people and stupid people since the mid 1980s. Any philanthropy that resulted is as tainted as that of any other robber baron. He was a carnival huckster. A good one no doubt but he was selling a drug that is pretty damned damaging to logic and intellect.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:17 pm to FnTigers
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That being said, that's the only thing he was "caught" doing. Doesn't mean it's the only thing.
The thing that he is known for, that he himself would talk about publicly ad nauseum, was conning people out of money. What he got caught doing is far less egregious than what he openly did everyday.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:18 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Ozzy Osbourne
Yes. Exactly. This is just the man we should consult for judgement in matters of personal conduct and moral rectitude. Batter up.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:21 pm to cajuns td
Another way to look at it is this. I am a bi-vocational pastor. I receive a salary (modest) from the church I pastor. The church offered me a housing allowance. I chose not to take it because I run my business through my home office. Can't do both.
Allow me to be very broad in my explanation. A couple of factors to keep in mind. Let's say the church has 500 members. A 500 member church has a typical 1.2 million dollar a year budget. The same church typically will allocate 30-40 percent toward the senior pastor's salary. So 30%. of 1.2 is $360k.
Now let's look at the housing. The housing allowance can be 100% of your church salary. I just looked online and saw a 4 million +/- home with an 18k mortgage. So if you take 18k x 12 months that is a salary of $216k a year. Sure that is no small amount, but with the size of the church that is less than the typical 30% salary alllotment. Therefore, though the house is very large, it when converted to a monthly payment added up over the year, is still a great bargain for the church as it $144k less per year than the average salary for a pastor of a church this size. Of course, this is based on the church can provide only his housing and he could live on the sales of his books, and music, etc. and not use a home office.
Of course this is very simplistic and we all know that taxes are not simplistic at all. Plus, I didn't know him, nor am I privy of his personal life details, I am just saying that it is possible that though the house is valued as such, it still could be a rather modest salary for the size of the membership of the church. Now if the church could only afford him a salary of $100k and bought a house as such, then all bets are off, and it would not be ethical.
Allow me to be very broad in my explanation. A couple of factors to keep in mind. Let's say the church has 500 members. A 500 member church has a typical 1.2 million dollar a year budget. The same church typically will allocate 30-40 percent toward the senior pastor's salary. So 30%. of 1.2 is $360k.
Now let's look at the housing. The housing allowance can be 100% of your church salary. I just looked online and saw a 4 million +/- home with an 18k mortgage. So if you take 18k x 12 months that is a salary of $216k a year. Sure that is no small amount, but with the size of the church that is less than the typical 30% salary alllotment. Therefore, though the house is very large, it when converted to a monthly payment added up over the year, is still a great bargain for the church as it $144k less per year than the average salary for a pastor of a church this size. Of course, this is based on the church can provide only his housing and he could live on the sales of his books, and music, etc. and not use a home office.
Of course this is very simplistic and we all know that taxes are not simplistic at all. Plus, I didn't know him, nor am I privy of his personal life details, I am just saying that it is possible that though the house is valued as such, it still could be a rather modest salary for the size of the membership of the church. Now if the church could only afford him a salary of $100k and bought a house as such, then all bets are off, and it would not be ethical.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:24 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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Who’s in charge now over there?
God?
In seriousness, I’d guess Donnie. But I really don’t know.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:31 pm to Ranger Call
quote:Ray Wiley Hubbard!!!
Ranger Call
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:33 pm to skinny domino
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Ray Wiley Hubbard!!!
If Shakespeare was from Oklahoma...
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:58 pm to Peruviantiger
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Another way to look at it is this. I am a bi-vocational pastor. I receive a salary (modest) from the church I pastor. The church offered me a housing allowance. I chose not to take it because I run my business through my home office. Can't do both.
Allow me to be very broad in my explanation. A couple of factors to keep in mind. Let's say the church has 500 members. A 500 member church has a typical 1.2 million dollar a year budget. The same church typically will allocate 30-40 percent toward the senior pastor's salary. So 30%. of 1.2 is $360k.
Now let's look at the housing. The housing allowance can be 100% of your church salary. I just looked online and saw a 4 million +/- home with an 18k mortgage. So if you take 18k x 12 months that is a salary of $216k a year. Sure that is no small amount, but with the size of the church that is less than the typical 30% salary alllotment. Therefore, though the house is very large, it when converted to a monthly payment added up over the year, is still a great bargain for the church as it $144k less per year than the average salary for a pastor of a church this size. Of course, this is based on the church can provide only his housing and he could live on the sales of his books, and music, etc. and not use a home office.
Of course this is very simplistic and we all know that taxes are not simplistic at all. Plus, I didn't know him, nor am I privy of his personal life details, I am just saying that it is possible that though the house is valued as such, it still could be a rather modest salary for the size of the membership of the church. Now if the church could only afford him a salary of $100k and bought a house as such, then all bets are off, and it would not be ethical.
From a pastor no less. That's a great business breakdown of the justification of money collected and spent in the worship and service to Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior. I'm sure he would approve and love the breakdown.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:00 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Dude literally bilked hundreds of millions of dollars out of the bank accounts of old people and stupid people since the mid 1980s
Honestly he did a service separating these credulous idiots from their money. frick em. If they were stupid enough to fall for this Chaucerian fraud I have no sympathy for them.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:01 pm to RanchoLaPuerto
That dude is in hell right now like, “WTF?”
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:05 pm to AwgustaDawg
The man went on two vacations a year and spent his entire life talking scripture on the TV. Where is all this money you claimed he has funneled?
How about that ministry impact on local community? They employ like 500 people. One of the largest TV production centers in the State. They run a private Christian school that costs well below market price.
This was a good man and family, that love the Lord. Some of yall should be ashamed.
How about that ministry impact on local community? They employ like 500 people. One of the largest TV production centers in the State. They run a private Christian school that costs well below market price.
This was a good man and family, that love the Lord. Some of yall should be ashamed.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:07 pm to DiamondDog
Christopher Hitchens on Jerry Falwell
“If you gave [Swaggart] an enema he could be buried in a matchbox.”
“If you gave [Swaggart] an enema he could be buried in a matchbox.”
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:09 pm to DiamondDog
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How about that ministry impact on local community?
You sound like my ex-MIL defending Osteen and sending him thousands of dollars a year. I guess that's what you get when delivering the gospel is important above all, because all those abuelas are going to go out and fix cleft palates in Central America, or donate even more money to services that do. Think about how many people Osteen's TV production company employs!
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:11 pm to RanchoLaPuerto
How big would his church have gotten if not for the whole hooker thing ?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:20 pm to DiamondDog
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Where is all this money you claimed he has funneled?
Hookers
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