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Surprising number of EV owners switch back to gas power, study says

Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:00 am
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
16824 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:00 am
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The study looked at owners in California specifically and found home charging was a huge factor in people dropping the EV lifestyle.

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As so much of the world works to pivot away from fossil fuels and the internal-combustion engine, a new study from the University of California, Davis, published in the journal Nature Energy last week, showed some concerning signs for what the auto industry still needs to get right. According to this study, which looked at California EV owners specifically between 2015-2019, 18% of electric vehicle owners switched back to a gas-powered car. For plug-in hybrid owners, 20% of them flipped back to a car solely powered by an engine.

The major takeaway from the EV flip-flopping lands in the lap of charging -- specifically at-home charging. The lack of reliable Level 2 charging at home (that's a 240-volt plug) was a major factor leading to EV "discontinuance," as the researchers called it. That makes sense. If you don't have a place to charge reliably, it makes it a lot harder to enjoy the benefits associated with an EV, including an overall lower cost of ownership. Public charging infrastructure remains just OK, with many stations down for maintenance, or simply not close enough to drivers, even in California, where chargers are more common than the rest of the US. And charging times at a public station still aren't on par with gassing up a car.

According to the research, about half of the respondents who bought another EV had access to Level 2 charging, compared to the 30% who dumped the electric lifestyle, but had a proper plug at home. The research found owners were 53% less likely to buy another EV if they did not have access to convenient, at-home charging. Essentially, it was a coin toss over whether an EV owner either stuck with it or returned to gas pumps.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
34849 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:01 am to
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flipped back to a car solely powered by an engine.


That means sun power not gas, idiot.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70670 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:03 am to
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Public charging infrastructure remains just OK, with many stations down for maintenance, or simply not close enough to drivers, even in California, where chargers are more common than the rest of the US.


Just OK is not OK.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:03 am to
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The lack of reliable Level 2 charging at home (that's a 240-volt plug)



Can these even be installed in some garages? We tried to get an additional plug installed in our garage a few years ago and the electrician said it wouldn't be to code and he couldn't do it. I wanted an outlet without a GFCI, so maybe that had something to do with it.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 9:04 am
Posted by Tshiz
Idaho
Member since Jul 2013
7530 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:03 am to
Bc they don’t want the government deciding to turn off the grid in the future.
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
11872 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:05 am to
I'm shocked.
You're telling me the "idea" of having an EV is better than the reality of owning and operating an EV?!?
Double shocked.

It's almost as though being a first mover to encourage the development of the infrastructure is a burden until the infrastructure is in place.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
33331 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:05 am to
Honestly im not against EV at all. I think its a good viable way of transportation. What I am against is this ridiculous push for something that we're just not ready for yet and likely wont be for some time. Its going to take probably 10-20 years at least to get proper infrastructure in place to make it feasible.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118550 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:11 am to
Technically combustion engines are solar power. They just harness the sun's energy via old dead plants and animals.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29446 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:13 am to
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That means sun power not gas, idiot.

"Solely powered" means powered by the foot, retard.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61042 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:13 am to
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via old dead plants and animals.



Is that a fact?
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32063 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:18 am to
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Technically combustion engines are solar power. They just harness the sun's energy via old dead plants and animals.



OMG it's organic. Whole Foods should sell it!
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:24 am to
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Can these even be installed in some garages?


240V in a garage isn't kosher? Or is it the EV charging hardware that's the issue?

I always figured I could put 240V anywhere I wanted, as long as there's a roof and walls.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
16824 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:25 am to
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240V in a garage isn't kosher? Or is it the EV charging hardware that's the issue?



240 with an 60 amp breaker (I think...not electrician) isn't that hard to do on newer homes.

But that means you need a dedicated parking space. Some urban areas with street parking don't have that luxury.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 9:26 am
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13263 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:25 am to
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The major takeaway from the EV flip-flopping lands in the lap of charging -- specifically at-home charging. The lack of reliable Level 2 charging at home (that's a 240-volt plug) was a major factor leading to EV "discontinuance,"


Who the frick buys an EV without knowing if you can charge it at your house first?

People are fricking stupid.
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
Nawf Tejas
Member since Jun 2015
6996 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:29 am to
I don't recall anything in the NEC about not being able to mount a 240V in a residential garage. Could be a local requirement though. I'd assume he could have mounted another branch circuit box external your main panel otherwise.

Maybe he just didn't want frick with doing all that work.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42548 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:29 am to
In to read anti-EV poster(s) try and prove their point based on 20%
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12321 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:30 am to
This really doesn't surprise me. First and foremast, the push to WFH has eliminated commutes for many and I know several people who only owned a Prius because they lived in BFE burbville and wanted to save money so they could spend more on travel ball. Then there are plenty of people who realize they just don't fit with their lifestyle, i.e. road trips, etc.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
22120 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:31 am to
Not surprising, EVs suck.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
78822 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:34 am to
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Can these even be installed in some garages?


Seriously? ALL power that comes into your breaker is 240V. Power into your house is 110 so only a matter of rewiring your set up from the main box.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39054 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:39 am to
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240V in a garage isn't kosher?

The problem was most likely that his service wasn’t big enough to handle another 10 kVA load.
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