re: Surprising number of EV owners switch back to gas power, study says

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Who the frick buys an EV without knowing if you can charge it at your house first?

People are fricking stupid.

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So how do they charge their car if not at home? Drive it to the charging station at Walmart for a few hours after work?

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That means sun power not gas, idiot.

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I really hope this was sarcasm.

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Yep. Although I would probably incorporate couple of 220v outlets into the garage if I were doing a new build now just to futureproof it.

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As mentioned, it is not just adding a couple of circuits. Most spec homes have 200 amp main service. With modern all electric homes, this taps out most of that 200 amps.

Now throw in one 50 amp charging service or two charging stations and you now have to upgrade to 300 amp service. That ain't cheap

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When people talk about infrastructure and charging stations, who pays for that electricity?

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The end user. You have a credit card on file with the charger station company or pay at the charger like you would at a gas pump.

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The end user. You have a credit card on file with the charger station company or pay at the charger like you would at a gas pump.

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Ok, thought so. I can envision government offering incentives and/or paying for this outright.

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240 with an 60 amp breaker (I think...not electrician) isn't that hard to do on newer homes.

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check your electrical panel, do you really have capacity for an additional 60 amps. Most houses are designed for the major kitchen appliances and heating/Air, adding something that draws an additional 60amps aint feasible for most with out upgrading your electrical service. typical house panel is around 100-150 amps. unless while charging you don't run the AC or dry clothes

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check your electrical panel, do you really have capacity for an additional 60 amps. Most houses are designed for the major kitchen appliances and heating/Air, adding something that draws an additional 60amps aint feasible for most with out upgrading your electrical service. typical house panel is around 100-150 amps. unless while charging you don't run the AC or dry clothes

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Needs for main panel upgrades are certainly going to be coming. More houses going solar plus throw in EVs or storage and these old panels aren't up to it. There will probably also be needs for upgraded transmission infrastructure as well. But there's also some really cool tech being developed in the space. I've seen smart chargers that load sense so they don't overload an undersized panel, systems that can use your EV storage for home back up if desired, off grid capable solar with storage that can directly charge your EV, etc. There's some exciting things going on and that's before we start to think about what a grid with that much interconnected dispersed storage would look like. It changes the dynamics and there's some pretty cool shite coming out.

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a plug in hybrid takes no time to charge at home, gives you the range in city to not put wear and tear on your engine, and gives you the flexibility to run gas whenever you want. You can even run in blended electric/gas mode and get killer gas mileage.

It's a no brainer imho.

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Except your idealistic assumptions aren't based on sound physics. Plug in hybrids do take time to charge, 10kWh of power can take overnight to recover on a Level 1 charger. Plugzin hybrids in the real world offer almost no appreciable mpg increase over a solid conventional hybrid and have more upfront costs and generally lower resale.

I'm not anti-electric vehicle, I actually think they are pretty neat. I kinda want a CyberTruck.

That being said... I don't want an expensive vehicle that I only use around town.

It's almost 200 miles to my parents' house. There isn't even a gas station for the last 30 miles, and there is only 1 in the last 60 miles, and it isn't 24 hours. I fill up with farm gas for the drive home.

We have family in Florida, and drive several times per year... that's 300-400 miles. We head to Apalachicola at least once per year, and I'm not sure I want to to have to find gas in that neck of the woods.

I regularly drive from ATL to Charlotte and Orlando/Tampa for work. I can drive on one tank of gas to Charlotte, and I know for a fact you have to stop in a Tesla. I can drive on one tank to Tampa (just not in my truck) that would be 3 charging breaks. How does that make sense? Just build in an extra 1.5 hours? I guess I could fly, but...uh...jets run on nasty fuel.

What about tractors and equipment and heavy trucks? What about boats?
What about irrigation pumps and generators and all these things that need fuel to do their jobs? Am I running service to all those locations? Will fuel costs make irrigating crops impossible?

When my electric car breaks down, who will fix it? How many thousands of mechanics exist in this country today? How many do it yourselfers? Do we really think that more than 2% of those people will be able to (or even allowed) to work on these computers and batteries?

What's the transition plan? Will be forced to transition? Will we get a check from the gubment for our now useless ICE vehicles? Will we be issued bicycles when it is realized they fricked up and their ultimate plan to force us to mass transit doesn't work for people that don't live near it? You know, the people that grow crops, timber, work in factories, build shiat, and so on?

I just don't think the climat-eers have a world view outside of their little apartment in the city.

Seems so simple. Hey, you can choose gas, electric, or hybrid.

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Except your idealistic assumptions aren't based on sound physics. Plug in hybrids do take time to charge, 10kWh of power can take overnight to recover on a Level 1 charger. Plugzin hybrids in the real world offer almost no appreciable mpg increase over a solid conventional hybrid and have more upfront costs and generally lower resale.

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A. Most plug in hybrids take 5-8 hours on a base 120v charge.

B. In EV mode, you're using absolutely nothing from your gas engine, channels like scotty kilmer and toyota tech channels confirm this. So you already, in the case of lets say a toyota or honda engine, already make a bullet proof engine last even longer.

C. in hybrid mode, if you decide to run both engines at once, you're getting nearly 120 miles per gallon at that point. Which it's a better idea for longer commutes to run it that way.

D. Examples like the rav 4 prime have a 0-60 in 5 seconds, a 50 mile range, and can be used as a full city ev vehicle since no one in their right mind needs more than that range for daily driving.

E. For someone, like myself, who does have an 80 mile commute a day, i'm effectively not only saving hundreds a month in gas, but i also have the piece of mind knowing that my 600 mile range gas tank will always bail me out when mother nature or issues with the ev motor happen.

F. They're cheaper than most standard evs, outside of teslas cheaper options.


Plug in hybrids are the best of both worlds and honestly the best commuter cars on the road right now. The second a plug in flex fuel truck would get made by ford, i'd buy it in a nano-second.


Also, what? You're literally on pure electricity for 50 miles. Not a drip of gas is being used. That literally adds MILES of travel with no gas spent or time at the pump. It's insanely more efficient than pure hybrid since gas is consistently used in just a base hybrid vehicle.

You have no frame of reference here.