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re: Supreme Court ponders the right to pray on the 50-yard line
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:44 am to The Spleen
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:44 am to The Spleen
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but more peer and societal pressure
Kind of like grooming from Disney?
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:50 am to Mike da Tigah
quote:And this place criticizes "attention or insta whores". Go home and pray since we don't all care about you promoting your fairy tales.
Supreme Court ponders the right to pray on the 50-yard line
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:55 am to The Spleen
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Abortion, fatherless homes, and a plethora of other societal issues stemming from the lack of religious beliefs have decayed this great nation.
horseshite.
It blows my fricking mind that in a country only 250ish years old that has seen slavery, a Civil War, and all kinds of battles for equal rights for women and minorities that anyone thinks 2022 is anything but a cupcake compared to the first 200 years or so of this country’s history.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:18 am to sugar71
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And this place criticizes "attention or insta whores". Go home and pray since we don't all care about you promoting your fairy tales.
It’s funny how you are offended by prayer to Jesus, but pray to a junkie heroin addict that pointed a gun at an unborn baby. You people are nuuutttsss
Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:28 am to Mike da Tigah
Meanwhile, teaching 8 year olds about butt sex and lopping of their privates is A-OK
Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:37 am to lsusa
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Uh…does everyone realize here that the issue is the coach is an agent of “the government”?
He is a citizen of this country and entitled to the same right to practice his religion as anyone else. You people read into the constitution things that simply are not even there, and driven by your biases, nothing more nothing less. Instead, it should be driven by your desire for liberty, like it was our forefathers, but you’ve all but forgotten about that.
People don’t check their first amendment rights in at the door to some public sector safe space. Rights don’t work that way. They are rights, and they are “inalienable”, as in no take away, no give away. If anything, their rights should be even more secured in a government building or government facility.
Many have made the false assertion that an individual practicing their religion is tantamount to government endorsing a religion, when all it really is is government allowing religious freedom to flourish in a free nation. If this were in any way mandated there would be a point, but it is purely voluntary, and if you can’t see the pure Americanism in that, then I truly feel sorry for you.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:18 am to Mike da Tigah
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He is a citizen of this country and entitled to the same right to practice his religion as anyone else.
You really need to read and digest Garcetti v Ceballos which speaks to what you are talking about whether the court finds Kennedy's conduct is or isn't prohibited. Speech of a public official/government employee is only protected if it is engaged in as a private citizen. It is no longer protected if it is expressed during their public duty.
One of the interesting questions to me was if a random member of the public would have been allowed to walk out onto the 50 yard line at those particular times. If he was only allowed to do it as a football coach it goes a long way in my mind to fitting Garcetti in that he was engaged in his job at the time.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:21 am to SixthAndBarone
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Nobody has the right to pray but you do have the right of the government not to stop you from praying.
You have the right to an education. We see you waived that right.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:23 am to Obtuse1
Do you practice constitutional law?
Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:34 am to nugget
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Do you practice constitutional law?
The short answer is yes. The slightly more expanded answer is that while many of my cases involve constitutional questions they are usually what I consider constitutional minutia and where this case has broader constitutional issues that garner headlines the majority of the cases I handle in the area only generate interest in their holdings among lawyers and even then they are generally very subject matter focused.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:35 am to Mike da Tigah
The job of a coach/leader is to build a team of individuals that are frequently from different backgrounds/cultures and unify them into a winning force. A coach that knows how to appeal to each individual's spirit and give them that emotional uplift before a game can be inspirational. People that dismiss it as grandstanding or proselytizing are missing the bigger picture. It's about winning. Winning in mind, body, and spirit. (And yes, there is some magic juice in everyone that is conventionally called, "spirit.")
There has been a concerted effort to break the spirit of the country, and that's what these nutjobs on the left are trying to do. They recognize that leadership at the grassroots level threatens their hegemony over the hearts and minds of the youth/future of the nation. This is why they are so strongly opposed to it. This is why you must oppose them.
There has been a concerted effort to break the spirit of the country, and that's what these nutjobs on the left are trying to do. They recognize that leadership at the grassroots level threatens their hegemony over the hearts and minds of the youth/future of the nation. This is why they are so strongly opposed to it. This is why you must oppose them.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:50 am to Ricardo
This is what is wrong with this country. Of all the shite the school board should be worrying about they pick this. This world needs more Jesus.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 9:59 am to Globetrotter747
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A coach shouldn’t lead prayers of any kind at a public school. If he wants to do that so badly, go to a private school. If he wants to pray himself, just do it in a quiet or inconspicuous way that doesn’t draw attention - which is the way all people should tend to personal matters at work.
Explain what nor prohibit the Free Exercise Thereof means, I'll wait. The Free Exercise Clause gets totally ignored by those that think like you.
The whole sentence is plain in its meaning. CONGRESS shall not start a state religion. It doesn't mention individuals or coaches. The intent was clearly for us to worship as we saw fit and that cannot be denied.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:08 am to Obtuse1
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As an interesting aside, maybe only to attorneys, Kennedy's lawyer is Paul Clement (Kirkland Ellis). This is one of the small handful of attorneys who if he is on the other side of oral arguments I am not sleeping well. He is the quiet 800-pound Gorilla of SCOTUS orals. The guy practically has a bedroom at One First Street NE. He has more face time with the justices than even any of the OSG attorneys.
Yep - he is working with First Liberty, and if any of you are even the slightest bit concerned about your first amendment rights I encourage you to look into First Liberty and support them if you deem them worthy. amazing organization that is protecting first amendment religious rights every day.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:19 am to Mike da Tigah
Pretty easy solution. Have a moment of silence and reflection before the national anthem at every game. I prefer to keep church at church or in the privacy of my home. A HS teenager has an impressionable mind. The coach could be a shite bag and a kid knows it. IMO it isn't an ideal way to spread the message of God... or Allah... or a cult...
You leave the doors open for that to happen.
Pharasees and Hypocrites pray loudly and in public display. HS football games are public display. The better argument isn't US law. It is Jesus
You leave the doors open for that to happen.
Pharasees and Hypocrites pray loudly and in public display. HS football games are public display. The better argument isn't US law. It is Jesus
This post was edited on 4/26/22 at 10:21 am
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:19 am to NoSaint
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in some places you certainly would have coaches that think you are a rebellious bad teammate for non participation
I don't see how anyone can deny this. At some schools there would only be 1 player sitting out the prayer.
I actually dealt with this as a player but I just went along with the prayer. It's not that big of a deal and my teammates were 90% into it.
I can see the issue though where a kid sits out the prayer and then is passed up on the depth chart the next week. some parents would lose their shite saying it was because they weren't joining the prayer. If i was the coach I'd rather avoid that entirely. Let the players on the team lead a prayer if they want to is the best solution.
This post was edited on 4/26/22 at 10:31 am
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:31 am to Globetrotter747
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It blows my fricking mind that in a country only 250ish years old that has seen slavery, a Civil War, and all kinds of battles for equal rights for women and minorities that anyone thinks 2022 is anything but a cupcake compared to the first 200 years or so of this country’s history.
Nuance is useful here
The fact that you're unlikely to die in war or of dysentary doesn't mean 14 year olds attempting suicide at all time high rates isn't problematic, or that 10 year olds being misled that their personality quirks might determine their gender isn't a genuine issue.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:36 am to Mike da Tigah
Just as the constitution says the government cannot compel you to pray, likewise it also prohibits the government from forbidding you to pray.
To think that this coach somehow loses his 1st amendment rights simply by the fact he is an employee of the government, state government mind you, not even the federal government, only serves illustrate a fundamental misunderstanding of the text of the 1st Amendment; not to mention a complete lack of reading comprehension past that of a first grader.
To think that this coach somehow loses his 1st amendment rights simply by the fact he is an employee of the government, state government mind you, not even the federal government, only serves illustrate a fundamental misunderstanding of the text of the 1st Amendment; not to mention a complete lack of reading comprehension past that of a first grader.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:43 am to Cosmo
I bet the same people on this board would lose their mind if a coach had their players taking part in Islamic prayer
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