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Supreme Court ponders the right to pray on the 50-yard line
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:36 pm
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Not too sure where the confusion comes from here. American Citizens who are under the protection of the Constitution of the United States of America voluntarily meet at midfield at the end of a game to practice their faith by praying. There is no mandate here to adhere to it, nor is there an endorsement of any kind other than a government which embraces the free exercise of religion endorsement as it will, and without government sanction or mandate to adhere to it.
The establishment clause was NEVER intended to be a devise to make war upon the church, and especially individual citizens and their right to practice their own religion. It was only intended to keep the government out of the business of religion and especially preferring one to another, but NEVER was it intended to alienate or wipe out religion from individuals or prevent people from practicing their religion in the public sector. Those who have an axe to grind with religion have tried to argue that point for their own cause, but it was never the intention of Thomas Jefferson who penned it.
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The U.S. Supreme Court jumps back into the culture wars Monday in a case that involves a football coach's asserted right to kneel and pray on the 50-yard line at the conclusion of a public school football game.
Joseph Kennedy, a coach for the Bremerton, Wash., High School varsity and JV football teams began praying with his players before and after games in 2008. At the end of a game, he would take a knee and say a prayer with his players at midfield.
By the 2015 season, Kennedy was often joined at the 50-yard line as well by players from the opposing team. Indeed, it was an approving comment by an opposing coach that finally alerted school district officials to the practice.
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"I fought and defended the Constitution, and the thought of leaving the field of battle where the guys just played and having to go and hide my faith because it was uncomfortable to somebody — that's just not America," he said in an interview with NPR.
So Kennedy returned to his praying practice right after the game, mainly at away games, and with little fanfare. By the time of the big homecoming game, Kennedy had retained lawyers from the First Liberty Institute. In a letter to school officials, they said that the coach had a constitutional right to pray on the 50-yard line at the end of the game, and that students should be free to voluntarily join in.
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The school district took the position that while it wished to accommodate Kennedy's private religious expression, it could not allow his midfield post-game prayers because such a public display at a school event would be perceived as the school's endorsement of religion.
Two weeks later, the superintendent placed Kennedy on paid administrative leave, citing his failure to abide by the district's policy against encouraging or discouraging student religious expression. Kennedy did not apply for a new contract the following year.
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No good cause — or bad cause — goes unlitigated, of course. Kennedy sued the school district, contending that it violated his First Amendment right to free speech and the free exercise of religion. He lost in the lower courts, but appealed to the Supreme Court, where the justices hear arguments Monday.
"What's at stake here is really the ability of teachers and coaches to engage in religious exercise while on duty," says former Solicitor General Paul Clement, who is representing Coach Kennedy in the Supreme Court. It is "established beyond doubt at this point that students are allowed to engage in a degree of religious exercise on school grounds," he notes, adding that this case "will clarify the law [as to] whether teachers and coaches have comparable rights to students."
But the school district and its supporters contest this narrative.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Not too sure where the confusion comes from here. American Citizens who are under the protection of the Constitution of the United States of America voluntarily meet at midfield at the end of a game to practice their faith by praying. There is no mandate here to adhere to it, nor is there an endorsement of any kind other than a government which embraces the free exercise of religion endorsement as it will, and without government sanction or mandate to adhere to it.
The establishment clause was NEVER intended to be a devise to make war upon the church, and especially individual citizens and their right to practice their own religion. It was only intended to keep the government out of the business of religion and especially preferring one to another, but NEVER was it intended to alienate or wipe out religion from individuals or prevent people from practicing their religion in the public sector. Those who have an axe to grind with religion have tried to argue that point for their own cause, but it was never the intention of Thomas Jefferson who penned it.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:38 pm to Mike da Tigah
Guarantee the school board wouldnt stop him from praying to mecca
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:43 pm to Mike da Tigah
Why can’t this be decided simply based on whether or not the people who wrote the constitution would have found that it violated the constitution? They certainly would not have.
ETA judging by the downvotes, we have 4 people who think the founders of this country would have found that this prayer violates the constitution? I’m surprised.
ETA judging by the downvotes, we have 4 people who think the founders of this country would have found that this prayer violates the constitution? I’m surprised.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:44 pm to Mike da Tigah
I got no problem with anyone praying on the field before or after a game.. or chanting to Buddha, or praying to Brigham Young or $cientology/Tom Cruise or whoever… as long as they dont require their team to participate, to me it’s not a problem .
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:44 pm to Mike da Tigah
If he was taking a knee praying to the almighty BLM the school district would throw him a parade
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:47 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:Because we don't need to. We have the plain meaning of the words to rely on.
Why can’t this be decided simply based on whether or not the people who wrote the constitution would have found that it violated the constitution? They certainly would not have.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:47 pm to Cosmo
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Guarantee the school board wouldnt stop him from praying to mecca
Yep.
What further blows my mind though is how the very first piece of legislation that the Continental Congress heard and voted on was proposed by Benjamin Franklin no less, and it was to begin every day with a prayer, a prayer that has begun every day in Congress since it was adopted, and had that been on their minds to wipe out religion, or alienate it from the public sector, it would never have passed in the first place, and at some point in time over the past 250 years or so, it would have gone away, but it still hasn’t, and that’s because it was NOT the intention of our founding fathers of all people to attack and alienate people and their faith from the public sector.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:47 pm to Mike da Tigah
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The establishment clause was NEVER intended to be a devise to make war upon the church
Any type of disagreement in this area is always seen as a WAR or ATTACK.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:53 pm to Mike da Tigah
Nobody has the right to pray but you do have the right of the government not to stop you from praying.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:56 pm to Mike da Tigah
I’ll say two things. If people want to voluntarily pray on the football field, they should be able to. At the same time, in a lot of communities there is pressure for all students to participate, especially in small towns. Not so much pressure from the organizers but more peer and societal pressure.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:01 pm to The Spleen
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I’ll say two things. If people want to voluntarily pray on the football field, they should be able to. At the same time, in a lot of communities there is pressure for all students to participate, especially in small towns. Not so much pressure from the organizers but more peer and societal pressure.
I’d argue even more peer pressure and most certainly academic pressure to adhere to evolution over creationism, but alas, since it’s not categorized as a “religion”, which it borders on it in zeal, it’s not considered.
But to be clear, I’m with you, and I think God is as well. He does not want anyone made to pray who does not believe or desire to. He only accepts willing participants who come to Him in faith and faith alone, so if that does happen where people are pressuring people to pray, then they certainly are not in keeping with the scriptures even, and I don’t know anyone who would be in favor of such a thing to be honest with you. It’s not ok.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:05 pm to baybeefeetz
The people that founded the constitution also believed in slavery and many other things that are frowned upon these days. Do I believe it’s wrong to pray after a game, no. Should it be mandatory, no. If you want to have a prayer, just don’t make it uncomfortable for everyone else. There is a reason church and state have been separated for 40-50 years.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:13 pm to Gravitiger
Respecting an establishment of religion.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:17 pm to lsujag
So their view on amended parts of the constitution isn’t relevant. The first amendment is as it was in the beginning.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:29 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:Occurred years before the First Amendment was passed.
the very first piece of legislation that the Continental Congress heard and voted on
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:30 pm to Gravitiger
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Occurred years before the First Amendment was passed.
So are you for free speech or?
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:31 pm to Centinel
I'm for free exercise of religion. I just think that is not a good argument.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:32 pm to Mike da Tigah
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it could not allow his midfield post-game prayers because such a public display at a school event would be perceived as the school's endorsement of religion.
Wrong. It is endorsing his right to practice religion freely. He should obviously be protected under the first amendment and the Civil Rights Act.
How did this get so twisted? Oh, it was deliberate
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:34 pm to lsujag
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The people that founded the constitution also believed in slavery and many other things that are frowned upon these days.
not all of them. they left it open to be changed in the future. they had diverse opinions on many topics.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:35 pm to AMS
This is probably not one of them.
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