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re: Suppose you discovered there is no afterlife
Posted on 9/13/25 at 9:57 am to prplhze2000
Posted on 9/13/25 at 9:57 am to prplhze2000
Suppose there is, how would you live?
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Posted on 9/13/25 at 10:16 am to prplhze2000
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How would that affect your morality, how you live your life?
Explain how that works?
Who would you believe.
The Government?
The Medical profession?
Lawyers? Ha! ha! ha!
I don't believe you could have a better life, on this earth, than Jesus instructions.
Read the Gospels and then tell us what he got wrong for a rewarding peaceful life.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No education person disputes this. The Catholic and most Christian churches use two concepts to describe this phenomenon: Natural Law, and Salvation History.
There are 2 levels, societal trial and error and critically analyzing this. Which is where religions develop their morality (and why there is such overlap, generally), and why these concepts coalesced in kind when we began society way back in Mesopotamia. And we can have that discussion pre-supposing Christianity is correct, because I can cite countless other religions that rely on the same paradigm I used above that can exact peace, morality, typically with lots of overlap with Christianity. This is over countless societies, ethnicities, races, geographies, over thousands of years. If the Christian god is the only path to this morality, then non-Christian societies/religions could not devise such things. ETA: And this occurred prior to Christianity existing and with societies that existed after Christianity who had no exposure to it for hundreds/thousands of years
I’ll set aside a detailed discussion of those concepts and assume you’ve heard of them.
The question you should ask yourself is why the Christian ethos survived and flourished in so many societies against all odds, while other powerful moral codes failed, or in the case of some competing ideologies that are still around, at least seem wrong to you now.
Why do you think that the racial strive for purity, with power and glory for the strong and victorious, of the Nazi regime is wrong?
Is it inherently wrong, or just one that you don’t like because you weren’t born into it?
Posted on 9/13/25 at 10:34 am to MillerLiteTime
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When you live life for yourself and not a higher power, there is no absolute truth or morality and the goal posts keep moving.. a la the modern democrat party.
I don’t understand the need for absolute morality that must be ordained by a deity. We create laws, rules, etc., all the time. No one objects to the speed limit being 55 mph on the basis that it wasn’t dictated by the highway god.
Killing someone is not objectively wrong anymore than a bear catching and eating a salmon is wrong. I would argue that doing so generally isn’t good for a society, though, in the same sense that you can put triangular tires on your vehicle - but it’s not going to go very fast. It doesn’t fit with what you’re trying to accomplish. It is hard to build a prosperous society without some fundamental order.
Even things that feel ingrained in us are often not objective. Everyone here would rather their home smell like a scented candle than pig shite but scented candles do not objectively smell better than pig shite. But if you want visitors in your home, you’re probably not going to have many if it smells like pig shite.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 10:39 am to Globetrotter747
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We don’t really need all the hocus pocus. We’re just taught that we do and it becomes a crutch.
One of the greatest money-making scams ever perpetuated.
This is not to say that there are no "true believers" preaching eternal salvation, but all they are doing is unintentionally perpetuating the scam for those who are not "true believers."
Posted on 9/13/25 at 10:46 am to Globetrotter747
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Killing someone is not objectively wrong anymore than a bear catching and eating a salmon is wrong. I would argue that doing so generally isn’t good for a society, though, in the same sense that you can put triangular tires on your vehicle - but it’s not going to go very fast. It doesn’t fit with what you’re trying to accomplish. It is hard to build a prosperous society without some fundamental order.
Religious belief has never been a reason for religious believers in power to not kill people. Think of all the killing that has been done in the name of some god over the millennia.
This post was edited on 9/13/25 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/13/25 at 11:17 am to prplhze2000
Just where do you think morality comes from? Did it evolve along with mankind as some would believe? When exactly did the ameba’s triangulate to form an opinion on what is considered right and wrong?
Morality was instituted by God. It is inherently put in you from the time of conception to guide you through your life. Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God.
Morality was instituted by God. It is inherently put in you from the time of conception to guide you through your life. Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 11:27 am to gdzgft28
Or when the murder thousands of babies because they’re inconvenient?
This country is not and has never been a Christian country as much as the founding fathers needed it to be for the success of this nation.
Being evil and without morals is easy and the path most people take.
Rejecting the creator and worshiping the creature is easy and the path that most people take.
It’s called Satans lie to trick you into giving up your salvation. See he has no power but for what you give him.
This country is not and has never been a Christian country as much as the founding fathers needed it to be for the success of this nation.
Being evil and without morals is easy and the path most people take.
Rejecting the creator and worshiping the creature is easy and the path that most people take.
It’s called Satans lie to trick you into giving up your salvation. See he has no power but for what you give him.
This post was edited on 9/13/25 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 9/13/25 at 11:35 am to prplhze2000
I’m happy knowing there is…
Posted on 9/13/25 at 12:28 pm to TulsaSooner78
I am reminded of this scene from kingdom of heaven :
Posted on 9/13/25 at 12:57 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Exactly.
When I discovered that it made me a better person. Stopped making me believe I could just ask for forgiveness and be granted it by some magical ghost in the sky. Makes you learn personal accountability.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 1:05 pm to Mushroom1968
quote:What’s your recommended fungal protocol when you haven’t heard from God in a while and would like to talk for Him for 4-6 hours
Mushroom1968
Posted on 9/13/25 at 1:16 pm to prplhze2000
These threads always play out exactly the way I assume they will.
And most of the postets' response are 100% predictable as well.
And most of the postets' response are 100% predictable as well.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 1:20 pm to prplhze2000
I discovered this when I discovered I had critical thinking capabilities. My life never changed, why would it?
Posted on 9/13/25 at 1:21 pm to Jimbeaux
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The question you should ask yourself is why the Christian ethos survived
Being adopted by Rome, which then became the West.
This isn't unique. Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism are older than Christianity and still survive and are thriving all over Asia.
How did Islam survive? It's only a couple hundred years younger than Christianity and is also surviving and thriving.
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Why do you think that the racial strive for purity, with power and glory for the strong and victorious, of the Nazi regime is wrong?
The decisively Christian Nazi regime? I don't think that's the example you want to use.
Christianity has been used by countless other societies to justify racism, including American Christians using it to justify slavery.
Or are we going to do the Communist thing and say that wasn't real Christianity?
*ETA: and for smoothbrains and overly emotive types, that's not ragging on Christianity. Just showing their objective morality hasn't always been so objective. It's a tool that can be corrupted by humans just like they claim non-Christian morality can.
This post was edited on 9/13/25 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 9/13/25 at 1:21 pm to prplhze2000
None. Because there is no afterlife.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 1:43 pm to prplhze2000
Over 60% of Jews don’t believe in an afterlife, where as 83% of Christians do believe,
The western world high and low, only 38% of the Swedes believe in an afterlife, while 70% believe the US.
The western world high and low, only 38% of the Swedes believe in an afterlife, while 70% believe the US.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 1:51 pm to rltiger
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Over 60% of Jews don’t believe in an afterlife,
It's a religion really without one, so I'm shocked it's that low
Posted on 9/13/25 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
So you're saying Christians evolved on social and moral issues, as they should.
Now do Islam.
Now do Islam.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 1:57 pm to Craig86
Is anyone else chuckling at the irony of the "critical thinkers" all being absolutely certain about something they can't possibly be?
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