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Subcontracting vs Lock and key
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:31 am
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:31 am
I'm having trouble deciding on which is the best route to take when building my house. I know subcontracting will save money, but I hear so many people say they'll never build another house, or it was the most stressful thing ever, or it caused a divorce. My wife and I are leaning towards lock and key with Cretin Townsend Homes but I want to see what others exp. has been with subbing.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:32 am to UnderhandRabbit
Do you have any experience in construction?
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:36 am to UnderhandRabbit
CT Homes knows what they are doing
Unless you have a very flexible job or construction experience you will hate yourself for self contracting. There's a reason contractors get paid to be on the jobsite when problems arise
Unless you have a very flexible job or construction experience you will hate yourself for self contracting. There's a reason contractors get paid to be on the jobsite when problems arise
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:38 am to UnderhandRabbit
quote:
lock and key
Do you mean a turn-key house?
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:39 am to AUCE05
I don't and I'm not very imaginative. That's another thing people who subbed out said was they were always having to stay on top of the contractors. However at the same time, people say they save 30k-40k and that's a lot of money.
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 8:41 am
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:40 am to UnderhandRabbit
I wouldnt do it unless youre experienced in bossing around messicans
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:42 am to UnderhandRabbit
quote:
I don't and I'm not very imaginative.
A painter with no hands and arms has greater chance of success than this going well. Pay the Builder and stay out of the way.
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:58 am to UnderhandRabbit
Unless you have construction experience (I.e. did it before) and have a very flexible job, I would strongly recommend hiring a general contractor (turn-key option). They will handle the coordination of the subs and the construction schedule. Just be sure to actual have a contract that spells out, explicitly, all your expectations and requirements (like price, how to handle changes, and timeframe).
Even with this option, you will still have to/get to make decisions based on changes or problems that occur during construction. So you are involved....just on a much less detailed and headache inducing basis. You won’t have to be the guy trying to call and track down the wall framer who didn’t show up because he is at another project, while you have Sheetrock hangers sitting on your job doing nothing because their are framing issues.
Coordinating construction and building houses/other buildings is a full time job. If you have the flexibility, resources (good sub contractors), and knowledge it can be done, but most who are full time contractors have all three of those.
Even with this option, you will still have to/get to make decisions based on changes or problems that occur during construction. So you are involved....just on a much less detailed and headache inducing basis. You won’t have to be the guy trying to call and track down the wall framer who didn’t show up because he is at another project, while you have Sheetrock hangers sitting on your job doing nothing because their are framing issues.
Coordinating construction and building houses/other buildings is a full time job. If you have the flexibility, resources (good sub contractors), and knowledge it can be done, but most who are full time contractors have all three of those.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:26 am to UnderhandRabbit
Joe T and the boys will do a fine job building your dream home.
He built my dental office and I get nothing but complements on it.
He built my dental office and I get nothing but complements on it.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:29 am to UnderhandRabbit
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or it caused a divorce.
Highly doubt building a home would cause a divorce, it is more like that marriage was fricked from the start and that was the excuse.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:36 am to UnderhandRabbit
Some good advice has been offered already about your question.
I would also add that it also depends on your budget. You mentioned you would save about $30k by subbing out. That's a good bit of money that can be spent on furnishing your home, maybe adding another room, etc, or just saving yourself some money.
I'd go with the turn-key option and I used to work for my uncle after high school and through college, who is a general contractor. There's so many little things that go on behind the scenes that would cause most normal homeowners to have a heart attack if they actually knew. A GC usually provides not only the knowledge, but also a buffer from all the bullshite that goes on on a construction site, which is a lot. If you choose to sub it out, you'll need flexible hours and a lot of patience, as previously mentioned. You'll also need to be able to spot any thing that goes wrong, because the subcontractors will try to cut any corners they can, even if it means something isn't done right.
You just have to come up with your budget and if that money saved is worth it. Because it will be a very time consuming and patience wearing project.
Good luck.
I would also add that it also depends on your budget. You mentioned you would save about $30k by subbing out. That's a good bit of money that can be spent on furnishing your home, maybe adding another room, etc, or just saving yourself some money.
I'd go with the turn-key option and I used to work for my uncle after high school and through college, who is a general contractor. There's so many little things that go on behind the scenes that would cause most normal homeowners to have a heart attack if they actually knew. A GC usually provides not only the knowledge, but also a buffer from all the bullshite that goes on on a construction site, which is a lot. If you choose to sub it out, you'll need flexible hours and a lot of patience, as previously mentioned. You'll also need to be able to spot any thing that goes wrong, because the subcontractors will try to cut any corners they can, even if it means something isn't done right.
You just have to come up with your budget and if that money saved is worth it. Because it will be a very time consuming and patience wearing project.
Good luck.
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 9:40 am
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:40 am to redneck
quote:
Unless you have a very flexible job or construction experience you will hate yourself for self contracting. There's a reason contractors get paid to be on the jobsite when problems arise
Exactly! Also, you have no warranty if a problem occurs after the house is built.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:41 am to UnderhandRabbit
A newbie who attempts to act as a GC on his personal residence has a fool for a contractor and the client is a dumbass.
Any questions, Mr Lock and key*?
*Yu r dum
Any questions, Mr Lock and key*?
*Yu r dum
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:48 am to saint tiger225
quote:
You mentioned you would save about $30k by subbing out.
If you don’t know what you are doing, that $30k could disappear quickly. Material issues, coordination issues, bad workmanship, delays. And the subs are not likely giving you the same price they would give a known contractor who keeps them working all year.
There is also a “cost” paid in stress, uncertainty and time taken away from everything else. If something goes wrong it falls on you, not the contractor. With zero experience it’s too big of a risk.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:54 am to MarcusQuinn
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If you don’t know what you are doing, that $30k could disappear quickly.
Yep. Keeping a project on time and on budget when you have zero experience running that type of project is a losing proposition.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:01 am to UnderhandRabbit
It takes some experience, patience, and general construction aptitude. It does not seem like you have these skills in regards to Home building.
Finding good quality subcontractors is one the major hurdles in self contracting. It can save you some money, and more importantly to me, allow you do control the quality of the work (and do some of it).
Keep in mind, you will still be dealing with some of the subs and the GC if you elect a turn-key option. It is not “headache free”. But it should be greatly reduced, and you have the GC held ultimately responsible.
If the GC is willing to finance it for you (no construction loan), this will save you a lot of money as well.
Finding good quality subcontractors is one the major hurdles in self contracting. It can save you some money, and more importantly to me, allow you do control the quality of the work (and do some of it).
Keep in mind, you will still be dealing with some of the subs and the GC if you elect a turn-key option. It is not “headache free”. But it should be greatly reduced, and you have the GC held ultimately responsible.
If the GC is willing to finance it for you (no construction loan), this will save you a lot of money as well.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:03 am to MarcusQuinn
Couldn't agree more.
Personally, I don't think $30k is enough to go with subbing out himself with having no experience. I'd go turn-key.
Personally, I don't think $30k is enough to go with subbing out himself with having no experience. I'd go turn-key.
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:06 am to UnderhandRabbit
quote:
Cretin Townsend
My sister is using them right now.
Slab was supposed to be poured the first week of December. It just got formed up this week.
If you use them make sure the contract has a completion time and liquidated damages. That's my only input so far on using them.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:25 am to kengel2
Thanks for all the help guys.
Are you mad?
quote:
A newbie who attempts to act as a GC on his personal residence has a fool for a contractor and the client is a dumbass.
Any questions, Mr Lock and key*?
*Yu r dum
Are you mad?
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:27 am to kengel2
quote:Act of God losing most all of December & some of January to historically low temps.
Slab was supposed to be poured the first week of December. It just got formed up this week.
It’s not as simple as placing a driveway.
Why dig and setup a slab’s footings and have them rained/snowed on and then have to redo your work?
It was probably a wise decision on CT’s part to not force their subs to work in record low temps & conditions and get substandard results on (and UNDER and IN) the slab.
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