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re: "Students 'fear' Chick-fil-A will jeopardize 'safe place'"
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:51 pm to beerJeep
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:51 pm to beerJeep
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You're making excuses for them
Nope. This is a very real, proven thing.
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At 13 they know right from wrong
Nope. They've been raised in an environment with no rules, no hot meals, no parental support or love, etc.
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Being raised in the hood doesn't give you an excuse to not fulfill your obligations as a student.
Science says that children/teens lack the ability to see beyond the present. Very few children have the perception to see why fulfilling their student obligations is necessary. This is why good parents will punish them. But if your parents don't GAF, you expect a child to magically have the maturity to do well anyway? Ha.
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At some point you have to hold them accountable for their own lives.
Sure, but you said there are zero other factors when there are numerous. Study after study can be found on this. Unless you're one of those that shuns facts.
There are still hundreds of thousands of people that believe a dude died and came back to life and lives in unicorn land in the sky.. all because mommy and daddy told them that growing up. You seriously expect people from shite households to rise above it every single time? Come the frick on. People are products of their upbringing in most cases. This isn't rocket science.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 2:52 pm
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:54 pm to SaintBrees
Is this still the Chick-fil-A at Duquesne thread? I apparently missed a few pages...
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:55 pm to SaintBrees
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There are still hundreds of thousands of people that believe a dude died and came back to life and lives in unicorn land in the sky.. all because mommy and daddy told them that growing up. You seriously expect people from shite households to rise above it every single time? Come the frick on.
You take a perfectly good post, where you make excellent points about how kids are conditioned and/or not-parented,which is detrimental to them and society. Then you have to add this elitist, condescending Atheist bullshite last paragraph to it to take your personal shots at people of Faith. Way to totally discredit otherwise well-taken ideas.
Can't help yourself, can you, and you'll blame us for "proselytizing." So all of us, are from "shite households?"
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:56 pm to RedPop4
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So all of us, are from "shite households?"
Huh? I'm talking about kids from low income households with absent parents. Are you that? Then yes, shite household for you.
Believe what you want. My point is that most people keep to how they were raised. Kids born in shitty households without any support or guidance are going to have an uphill battle in order to reach "success". It would be nice if people could be like a kiddie movie and put their mind to something and succeed, but that isn't life.
Let's not even talk about if a kid actually does break the cycle and do well in school, the complete lack of family resources as a high schooler/college student that can keep someone from landing the good jobs or networking opportunities.
It just isn't as easy as tightening your boot straps.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:58 pm to RedPop4
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You take a perfectly good post, where you make excellent points about how kids are conditioned and/or not-parented,which is detrimental to them and society. Then you have to add this elitist, condescending Atheist bullshite last paragraph to it to take your personal shots at people of Faith. Way to totally discredit otherwise well-taken ideas.
Can't help yourself, can you, and you'll blame us for "proselytizing." So all of us, are from "shite households?"
Although, it's simultaneously interesting that you seem to agree with his logic, until it is applied to a religious belief.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:00 pm to nvasil1
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Is this still the Chick-fil-A at Duquesne thread?
It had a few turns.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:02 pm to StrongSafety
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I don't have the time to get nitty gritty with this but look it up. It's been a couple of years since I was taught all this.
And this is part of the problem. You go around spouting out shite you don't fully understand to blame others for problems. I have a very good understanding of all of this.
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But I'm not of the conservative inkling that personal responsibilith and accountability can fix all ills.
No, it can't. But it sure as shite can't hurt. Not everyone can be fixed nor does everyone want to be fixed. Some people just want to whine, bitch, and complain and play the victim.
Until you can better understand your babble, please keep it out of the conversation.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:02 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Although, it's simultaneously interesting that you seem to agree with his logic, until it is applied to a religious belief.
Notice, my points (backed by studies) that he entirely agreed with are now "unreliable" because I don't believe in his religion. Typical.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:03 pm to SaintBrees
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They've been raised in an environment with no rules, no hot meals, no parental support or love, etc.
Excuse number 1,2,3,4.
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. But if your parents don't GAF, you expect a child to magically have the maturity to do well anyway?
Ideally, the kid would never have been born. Do I expect them to? Of course not. As you said; they are too short sighted. It's institutional. Which is why I said you reap what you sow. Change has to happen from within.
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but you said there are zero other factors when there are numerous.
There are zero other factors. Every other factor comes back to choice. They CHOSE to do the things they do instead of doing the things they SHOULD do.
They CHOSE to stick to the status quo. With the amount of free resources available there is zero reason to fail in school other than CHOICE.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:03 pm to SSpaniel
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It had a few turns.
It has
I think overall I held my own against a numerous opposition.
When you have to start referring to Thomas Sowell, you are in trouble.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:04 pm to NoHoTiger
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Some people just want to whine, bitch, and complain and play the victim.
Especially when we've made doing so in this country very lucrative.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:05 pm to SaintBrees
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Go spend a month teaching innocent elementary kids in an inner city public school
I put in 5 years
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they're kids that are influenced by their home life
True, we all are. Few will deny that. But everyone makes a choice on whether they will follow that path. My wife grew up with an alcoholic father. My BIL is rapidly becoming one as well, my wife doesn't drink at all. Both are genetically inclined and had the same social environment. They made different choices are will have to deal with the consequences.
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To deny that these people have the odds stacked against them as they grow up is short-sighted and frankly kinda block-headed.
Odds stacked against, ok I'm with you.
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bootstraps mentality is just wrong
Nope, I have been around way to many who bucked the trend and got out. It isn't fun or easy but it is possible for almost anyone. You have to be ready to make a choice, would I rather fit in and slide through life or do I want out. It sucks that the decision has to be made at such a young age but those are the breaks.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:05 pm to SaintBrees
Again, pile on and make fun, just as typical, simply can't help but throw insults and snide remarks.
This is the OT, though, so, expected.
This is the OT, though, so, expected.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:06 pm to SaintBrees
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just isn't as easy as tightening your boot straps.
Never said it was easy. In fact it's quite hard to do. Upward mobility ain't easy. But it is obtainable if you make the right choices.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:07 pm to StrongSafety
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If you don't think peoples biases can or do creep into their professional lives/work in all professions , then you live in very naive world.
Of course they can. However, everyone has bias and bias cannot be eliminated. It can be understood, you can help control your reactions based on bias. However, bias is never, I repeat NEVER the cause of any problem or ill faced by another. Merely not liking what someone tells you or referring you for treatment does not mean that you are not being well cared for.
Anyone who presents to any physician stating that they are transgender, or a myriad of other issues, needs to be referred to a psychiatrist and a psychologist who understands the issues faced by trans and others who have a psychiatric diagnoses.
Someone who goes to the dr regardless of any psychiatric issue for a cold, should be treated for the cold. Issues outside the scope of the primary complaint that is not within the specialty of the treating physician needs to be referred out to a specialist.
That is not suboptimal care. That is actually optimal care.
Back me up Dr. Scruffy.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:07 pm to misstery
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think overall I held my own against a numerous opposition
No.... No you have not
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:08 pm to SaintBrees
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There are still hundreds of thousands of people that believe a dude died and came back to life and lives in unicorn land in the sky.. all because mommy and daddy told them that growing up
The Cubs won the World Series! How can you not believe their is a higher being?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:09 pm to SaintBrees
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Believe what you want. My point is that most people keep to how they were raised. Kids born in shitty households without any support or guidance are going to have an uphill battle in order to reach "success". It would be nice if people could be like a kiddie movie and put their mind to something and succeed, but that isn't life.
I agree but someone has to break the cycle and it has to start with the adults. Of course every time this is mentioned, there are 1000 excuses as to why they're not able to do this. Like you said, it's not rocket science. Don't have kids until you can afford to take care of them, focus on education and family. It's really that easy. If you get your own house in order, everything clicks.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:10 pm to smoked hog
And lots of factors go into breaking out of that as well.
For every anecdote, someone could counter another. Some people succeed and some don't. Some have odds stacked against them and rise above it. Some can't defeat those odds. This isn't a black/white issue; there's a ton of gray area.
I'm quick to hand out unsolicited advice to those struggling to find jobs too. I get it. I belong to a few clubs and groups that connected me to people over the years, and I've never had an issue networking my way into a job. I worked hard and was rewarded for it. But I am also not self absorbed enough to think everyone possesses the same luck, experience, outgoingness, etc.
Some people work their arse off and get nowhere in life, sadly. Hard work does not equal success. Hard work plus many other things does. Life is not a storybook. Some of us find success and others work their arse off to never truly be comfortable.
FWIW - I'm not arguing for increased welfare or something. Entirely separate issue. I just cannot stand seeing someone go, "Well just work hard, silly goose!" like it's some magical answer that will end poverty and crime and struggle. We can't fix the complex issues like that with something so simple.
And I do agree that these people should stop reproducing. But again, not magic. Gonna take work.
For every anecdote, someone could counter another. Some people succeed and some don't. Some have odds stacked against them and rise above it. Some can't defeat those odds. This isn't a black/white issue; there's a ton of gray area.
I'm quick to hand out unsolicited advice to those struggling to find jobs too. I get it. I belong to a few clubs and groups that connected me to people over the years, and I've never had an issue networking my way into a job. I worked hard and was rewarded for it. But I am also not self absorbed enough to think everyone possesses the same luck, experience, outgoingness, etc.
Some people work their arse off and get nowhere in life, sadly. Hard work does not equal success. Hard work plus many other things does. Life is not a storybook. Some of us find success and others work their arse off to never truly be comfortable.
FWIW - I'm not arguing for increased welfare or something. Entirely separate issue. I just cannot stand seeing someone go, "Well just work hard, silly goose!" like it's some magical answer that will end poverty and crime and struggle. We can't fix the complex issues like that with something so simple.
And I do agree that these people should stop reproducing. But again, not magic. Gonna take work.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:26 pm to misstery
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I think overall I held my own against a numerous opposition.
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