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re: Statistics on black on black crimes, police on black killing

Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:40 am to
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:40 am to
What do your numbers have to do with the OP?
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:40 am to
You know the answer to your own question.
Posted by ColeCoushCoush
Member since Aug 2014
497 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:47 am to
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A cop killing a black man is such a small and microscopic part of the problem in this country that it's absurd to even put it in the top ten list of things that need to change.


You said yourself that it's not right, not fair, and something should be done about it. You're right that black communities need to work on curbing black on black crime, but they will have to work with the police in order to do that, and they won't be able to do so effectively as long as they keep seeing police brutality against blacks go completely unaddressed.

For someone so critical of the "intelligence" of black culture, you're the one perpetuating this false dichotomy. Being angry about police brutality doesn't mean that they aren't also angry about black on black violence.

I suppose what you're saying is that they should also be staging protests against black on black crime. If they did that, then you'd be praising them instead of saying that they are all unintelligent, irresponsible, and prideless? Well, protesting against crimes committed by individuals doesn't make much sense and wouldn't be effective. Protesting against institutionalized prejudice perpetuated by agents of the state is a tried and true method of bringing about change.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:48 am to
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It's still probably one of the shittest things I've ever seen posted on this site.


then you haven't been around very long.

I'm still wandering why whites didn't riot when a black kid/man shoots an innocent woman and her 13 month old toddler (in the face).

GA killing



Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5868 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:57 am to
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then you haven't been around very long.

I'm still wandering why whites didn't riot when a black kid/man shoots an innocent woman and her 13 month old toddler (in the face).



I'm wondering why to get back at the man would I ever burn down my neighborhood.
Posted by Tigerstudent08
Lakeview
Member since Apr 2007
5776 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:58 am to
Or like how last week a 17 and 18 year old black girl and guy go and blow two white peoples heads off as they're sleeping with a shotgun for no reason in Metairie.
Posted by Boats n Hose
NOLA
Member since Apr 2011
37248 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:59 am to
Black is not the preferred nomenclature dude. African American, please.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111393 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:06 am to
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53.3% of all gang murders between 1980 and 2008 were committed by whites
Considering during those years whites have made uo 75%-80% of the population, those numbers are pretty low.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111393 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:08 am to
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In spite of what some people assume most murders occur within the same racial groups (e.g. white on white and black on black crimes are more common). Police killings of black people are therefore still high as a percentage of the total population even if you make the false assumption that prosecution and conviction outcomes are similar between different economic and racial groups.
Not exactly. Within those numbers, whites are killed at a 2 to 1 rate. If you look at arrest rates, whites are arrested at a 2 to 1 rate as well. So police kill whites and blacks at a linear rate in terms of altercations they have with police
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 11:09 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111393 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:15 am to
For example, 6,000,000 whites were arrested in 2014. Out of that 433 were killed during the arrest by police, so .0072% of the time. 2,500,000 blacks were arrested, and 233 were killed, so .00932%. Those rates are very linear.


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Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
21224 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:24 am to
How many officers are shot and/or killed by blacks every year? How many blacks assault officers every year?
Posted by Tonto31
NOLA
Member since Apr 2015
84 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:52 am to
The reasoning for the riots in Baltimore are mainly because there hasn't been anything done to the cops who obviously had something to do with the death of this man. Black on Black crime is terrible but the police department makes arrest accordingly. The problem is that arrest are sluggish and only happens after public pressure.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
17705 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:55 am to
The fatal flaw in your argument and all arguments like yours against police abuse of power is: how about staying out of situations where you even have to deal with the police? why is that never ever even thought of as a possible option?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70025 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:57 am to
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The reasoning for the riots in Baltimore are mainly because there hasn't been anything done to the cops who obviously had something to do with the death of this man


The criminal has some responsibility for his own death...people are just looking for a reason to act a fool and get free shite.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:02 pm to
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The criminal has some responsibility for his own death...people are just looking for a reason to act a fool and get free s


Exactly....rarely is it ever mentioned what the fool who ends up dead did in the first place to precipitate the tragedy. No one deserves to have their spine snapped by the police, but they are responsible for putting themselves in that situation in the first place.
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 12:10 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70025 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:10 pm to
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rarely is it ever mentioned what the fool who ends up dead did in the first place to precipitate the tragedy


the ones who have made the "news" in the last year were all criminals with rap sheets or had just committed a crime...the "people" should wait for a true case where the "victim" was innocent.

Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72157 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:12 pm to
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but I suspect the majority of "unfair" profiling is largely due to being associated with a high crime area.


I too suspect this
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37520 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:20 pm to
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Those rates are very linear.


but encounters, arrests, and consequences are not.

the stop and frisk program in new york for example targeted black people more than whites. being searched and then dinged for a small amount of MJ gives you a record more freuqently and then you're in the system as an offender, harder to hire, likely don't have the resources to fight it etc.

it isn't all about race since the economics of prosecution and conviction are very highly related to your economic standing. but the way you are treated and potentially arrested is different to a significant extent if you are black.

Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
3984 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:23 pm to
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police forces kill 492 people per year. Only 105 are blacks

There is no way this is true.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:27 pm to
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- FBI study from 2007-2012 concluded that police forces kill 492 people per year. Only 105 are blacks.



I think this is the best statistic in your post.

It doesn't just happen to one race.

Honestly, you'd expect more deaths of black men by cops considering a black man is 7 times more likely to commit a violent crime than any other race and violent crimes have a greater chance to end in lethal force by police.


Cops just suck. I am white and I can't stand most of them either. Stop making it about black people, its about all people and cops being douche bags who overreach their power and have no accountability for their actions.
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