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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:56 am to reedus23
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:56 am to reedus23
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What is important here are the acts. Brown had a physical confrontation with the clerk (trusting you guys are right that it's Brown, I haven't looked closely). Showing that propensity to violence just minutes before the shooting changes the entire landscape.
Having said that, it still will not exonerate the cop. There are still a lot of questions that need to be answered about the shooting itself. He may ultimately be exonerated, but it is still way too early to say one way or the other. Even if he is not exonerated though, the picture has still changed.
If Johnson is in that video, his testimony is meaningless at this point. The police department is still going to have a difficult time with Tiffany whatever her name is testimony, along with some of the other witnesses.
Regardless of the outcome of all of that, we still have a very serious problem of abuse of power or militarization or whatever you want to call it. Completely unacceptable.
Agreed
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:56 am to lsupride87
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Robbery requires: intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another
No, it doesn't.
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569.030. 1. A person commits the crime of robbery in the second degree when he forcibly steals property.
Missouri statute.
All of this is irrelevant as this was a strong arm robbery. I'm not denying that. Robbery and shoplifting are the same thing, taking property.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:56 am to the808bass
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But the footwear is very distinctive. You can see it in the unedited photos of his body laying in the street.
The hat too. Wasn't it lying in the street?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:57 am to the808bass
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If you want to distinguish between a violent robbery and a robbery, that is a legitimate distinction to make. There is no real distinction between simple robbery and shoplifting.
Damn, I can't tell if you are trolling are just incredibly stupid.
Define "simple robbery"? Did you just make that up? If I don't show a gun, does that make it "simple robbery"? What if I threaten that I have a gun? What if I threaten to beat the crap out of the clerk? What if I just imply that's what will happen if the clerk doesn't give me his money? All are marginally different and in no way should be in the same boat as trying to steal something and walking out the door of a store without being caught.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:57 am to reedus23
for all we know, the cop who shot Brown was told that Brown could be armed and dangerous. those words change everything. wait until the rest of the evidence comes out, including the dispatch, etc.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:57 am to quail man
4-6 shots fired according to report.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:57 am to reedus23
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The hat too. Wasn't it lying in the street?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:57 am to Topwater Trout
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Nope. You just have to realize that no matter what evidence is brought to light he will always blame LEO.
No, I won't.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:57 am to TigerHam85
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@WesleyLowery: All we know about shooting from these docs: at 12:01 pm Officer Wilson encounters Brown. 12:04 pm: second officer arrives, Brown dead
I believe the incident at the store occurred around 11:30-11:35 which doesn't seem like a lot of time to take a report interview witnesses and review tape?
Why don't one of you OT geniuses prove a police cover up and become internationally famous
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:58 am to the808bass
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Robbery and shoplifting are the same thing, taking property.
dude,you got me dead ova hur
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:58 am to reedus23
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Guys, it doesn't matter what you call it. Doesn't matter if you call it shoplifting, robbery or strong armed robbery. Those are just words. What is important here are the acts. Brown had a physical confrontation with the clerk (trusting you guys are right that it's Brown, I haven't looked closely). Showing that propensity to violence just minutes before the shooting changes the entire landscape.
Having said that, it still will not exonerate the cop. There are still a lot of questions that need to be answered about the shooting itself. He may ultimately be exonerated, but it is still way too early to say one way or the other. Even if he is not exonerated though, the picture has still changed.
If Johnson is in that video, his testimony is meaningless at this point. The police department is still going to have a difficult time with Tiffany whatever her name is testimony, along with some of the other witnesses.
Regardless of the outcome of all of that, we still have a very serious problem of abuse of power or militarization or whatever you want to call it. Completely unacceptable.
Exactly I'm saying shopping lifting doesn't justify the shooting
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:58 am to reedus23
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The hat too. Wasn't it lying in the street?
Yes.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:59 am to undecided
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I believe the incident at the store occurred around 11:30-11:35 which doesn't seem like a lot of time to take a report interview witnesses and review tape?
no
from 11:48-noon the officer was on a sick call, with ambulance, at 11:51 there was a call of a robbery, and 11:52 disp gave description, different officer arrived at store, further description was given, state suspect was walking toward quiktrip, officer left sick call, encountered MB at 12:01, after the shooting at 12:04 a second officer arrived, at 12:05 a sup was dispatched.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:59 am to cacspertheghost
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Exactly I'm saying shopping lifting doesn't justify the shooting
Um if you punch a cop in the face, they can shoot you. But that doesn't mean shooting at them over 5 times.
ETA: Remember this is a big 6'4 black guy the size of an offensive lineman. Yeah I'm pretty sure that punch would hurt. This is not a lil skrimpy trayvon martin. This guy is huge.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 10:00 am
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:59 am to cacspertheghost
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Exactly I'm saying shopping lifting doesn't justify the shooting
well no shite it doesn't, but you don't know what happened between the officer and the perp.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:59 am to the808bass
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All of this is irrelevant as this was a strong arm robbery. I'm not denying that. Robbery and shoplifting are the same thing, taking property.
It's obvious that most people consider robbery as something that is done by threatening violence or actual violence. You are bringing up legal definitions. That's great, but that's not what most people mean when they say "robbery" vs "shoplifting."
Posted on 8/15/14 at 9:59 am to cacspertheghost
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Exactly I'm saying shopping lifting doesn't justify the shooting
but robbery might, if it further proves he was forceful towards the cop
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 10:00 am
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:00 am to GEAUXmedic
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:00 am to reedus23
How can anyone judge the cop at this point? The star witness for Michael Brown's side is most likely an accomplice in a robbery that occurred minutes before his death. How convenient that this Johnson dude hasn't mentioned this fact while he babbles to the press.
This is just another case of making judgments with little info. The cop may have been justified in his actions...let's wait and see.
This is just another case of making judgments with little info. The cop may have been justified in his actions...let's wait and see.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 10:01 am
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