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re: St. George: BTR: 1st ‘taxes will go up’ Now ‘brace for cuts’
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:05 am to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:05 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I honestly believe the dismissive attitude that kip HOLDEN took to the people living in the St. George district started this rift. When Alton sterling happened and the police were thrown under the bus for a known drug dealer and violent felon, and racism was thrown out as the reason, it made the gap even wider.
This. But the dismissive attitude started much earlier -- specifically about the shite show that is the EBR school system. Granted, city leaders don't have any power because the school board is elected (vs. appointed). But, Kip and now Broome could lead the charge for change from the bully pulpit. This would help everyone -- not just STG.
But, the sad fact is we have weak leadership combined with a huge divide north and south Baton Rouge. I know people in both areas. They don't trust each other. Heck, they really don't even know each other.
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:06 am to Halftrack
As the Southern University fanbase, Baptist church going, Delpits customers like to say to white people all the time about everything......
THE CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST!
THE CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST!
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:06 am to SlackMaster
Not only that, self serving politicians actively pit people against each other.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:08 am to SlackMaster
About 75% of all services StH will be responsible for are already private (water), parish (sheriff), or covered by political districts (fire dept).
What services are provided by BR proper to St George? Not parish services like the library and BREC, actual city services.
What services are provided by BR proper to St George? Not parish services like the library and BREC, actual city services.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:08 am to Halftrack
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This, in spite of the fact that St. George gives BTR $50 million more than it receives. The ‘taxes will go up’ scare tactic has been proven to be a lie.
This has always been a pretty myopic view. Many neighborhoods in incorporated BR pay more than they receive. The taxes we pay into the consolidated government cover things like roads, street lights, drainage, and waste management in the areas where few people live like rural parts of the parish and downtown.
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Now, BTR officials are telling its departments to get ready to cut their budgets by as much as 45% if St. George passes.
You realize these things are not mutually exclusive right? The new city can pull enough revenue out of EBR to cause budget shortfalls while simultaneously not having enough revenue to operate.
My biggest concern about St. George is the one page budget, which is smaller than Thibodaux's budget despite have 5 times the population and a bigger land area.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 8:09 am
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:12 am to ell_13
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They were doing this same argument yesterday at the senate hearing. It’s a complete contradiction but they can’t help themselves.
1) St George won’t have enough money to operate on its own.
2) the rest of EBR won’t have enough money to operate if St George “leaves”
It can’t be both, you idiots.
Of course it can. St. George can both cause a revenue loss that results in an EBR budget shortfall, and not have enough to operate. That isn't a difficult concept. Maybe you should get a better grasp of it before you call people idiots.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:12 am to sec13rowBBseat28
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OK, then tell us what the answer is.
If only I were that wise. I'm just saying that there will be big costs to a split up -- many of them unforeseen, such as economic development. There are good examples of other cities that struggled with this. Anyway, the "leaders" of splitting are selling their cause on emotion but the decision will have hard costs for everyone -- after the point of no return.
What do I think should be done? Well, unfortunately it is idealistic and soapbox type stuff. We need people to get freaking involved instead of sit on the sideline bitching about things. Meet some people in north BR. Most of them are nice as pie. Build some trust. Help them with their economic issues and they will help us with the school issues.
Unfortunately, building trust takes a LONG time, requires thoughtful leadership (neither side has this), and the work is hard. So, we struggle. And IMO will struggle worse when/if the city is split in two.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 8:17 am
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:14 am to SlackMaster
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STG's taxes WILL go up significantly. You'll be duplicating every part of city government BEFORE any services are even provided
What services are you talking about.
Be specific because you aren’t making any sense.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:14 am to BlackAdam
quote:That’s just the teaser incentive.
My biggest concern about St. George is the one page budget, which is smaller than Thibodaux's budget despite have 5 times the population and a bigger land area.
Like switch to dish network for $45 per month and get every channel you want and 4 free dvrs. Then year 2 comes and it’s $335.99 per month.
It’s how these promotions for the land of milk and honey, work.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:14 am to BlackAdam
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My biggest concern about St. George is the one page budget, which is smaller than Thibodaux's budget despite have 5 times the population and a bigger land area.
Exactly. This should cause everyone with a brain to worry.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:15 am to BlackAdam
quote:Math is hard.
St. George can both cause a revenue loss that results in an EBR budget shortfall, and not have enough to operate.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:16 am to teke184
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About 75% of all services StH will be responsible for are already private (water), parish (sheriff),
I support StG 100% but I've been saying for years that the organizers are either ignorant or intentionally lying about the SO situation.
Within a few years the city will have to budget for probably 20-30 million to run a ~100 man department. Just by comparing to other cities around the state this should be obvious.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:16 am to SlackMaster
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What do I think should be done? Well, unfortunately it is idealistic and soapbox type stuff. We need people to get freaking involved. Meet some people in north BR. Most of them are nice as pie. Build some trust. Help them with their economic issues and they will help us with the school issues.
It isn't jsn't north BR. It is Kennilworth and Southdowns, Old Goodwood, and a dozen other middle class neighborhoods in the city.
St. George has done a great job of painting this as unincorporated vs. NoFlo, but that isnt accurate.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:16 am to WhoGeaux
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East Baton Blanc Parish
Meet the new boss
Dhjdhddhhdhdhhrhd
Same as the old boss
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:16 am to ell_13
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Math is hard.
It clearly is for you.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:16 am to BlackAdam
It's hilarious to me that so many people magically trust this same St. George leadership that has failed over and over again in previous positions of power.
This plan has serious holes in it. You are naive or stupid if you don't see budget instability in their plan (whichever one you want to look at).
But hey, they have a group of people trying to be trendy and starting to call the area St. George now, so at least a few people are listening.
Some of us have been in South Baton Rouge for decades. It's never been referred to as St. George. Those that support StG knew how it was before they moved here. If you don't like it, leave. No government is perfect, especially not in Louisiana, and politics will influence the decisions of every city here no matter what it is named.
Onward with copycat movements though!
This plan has serious holes in it. You are naive or stupid if you don't see budget instability in their plan (whichever one you want to look at).
But hey, they have a group of people trying to be trendy and starting to call the area St. George now, so at least a few people are listening.
Some of us have been in South Baton Rouge for decades. It's never been referred to as St. George. Those that support StG knew how it was before they moved here. If you don't like it, leave. No government is perfect, especially not in Louisiana, and politics will influence the decisions of every city here no matter what it is named.
Onward with copycat movements though!
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:19 am to Halftrack
the real question may be what part of town gets services cut and where taxes are increased and assessed. I promise you they will start putting millage increases and new millages up for vote in BR. And without the StG area to tell NBR to pound sand, they will pass just like the COA bullshite got through.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:20 am to BlackAdam
Given that most of the “services” involved are already in the parish taxes that the area pays, this situation likely doesn’t play out that way.
As I said upthread-
Law enforcement is the sheriff, which will be contracted to cover the new city. They already cover the area now so it isn’t “new” services.
Water? BR Water Company, which is a private firm and a municipal one.
Sewer? Parish.
Gas and electric? Private providers already covering the area.
Fire? Already covered by the St George Fire District.
There will be costs associated with city hall and some city services but the patchwork method which grew into place because BR would never incorporate these areas makes it so that it is REALLY easy to incorporate without missing a beat.
As I said upthread-
Law enforcement is the sheriff, which will be contracted to cover the new city. They already cover the area now so it isn’t “new” services.
Water? BR Water Company, which is a private firm and a municipal one.
Sewer? Parish.
Gas and electric? Private providers already covering the area.
Fire? Already covered by the St George Fire District.
There will be costs associated with city hall and some city services but the patchwork method which grew into place because BR would never incorporate these areas makes it so that it is REALLY easy to incorporate without missing a beat.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:20 am to Halftrack
The great City of St.George will be built, and all will bask in its glory
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:20 am to SlackMaster
quote:Oh good god...are you serious with this bullshite??? Have you ever watched a city council meeting??? You CANNOT "build some trust" with the North BR leadership.
We need people to get freaking involved instead of sit on the sideline and bitch about things. Meet some people in north BR. Most of them are nice as pie. Build some trust. Help them with their economic issues and they will help us with the school issues.
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