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re: Spinoff thread: Jackson Pollock's artwork.

Posted on 2/20/16 at 8:38 am to
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 8:38 am to
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Boom


he's hilarious, a super intelligent dude who has a way with words. He's basically made a career and etched his name in the list of American literary greats by destroying modern pretentions.


If you don't have time to read him, watch his interviews with William F Buckley on Firing Line.
This post was edited on 2/20/16 at 8:47 am
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 8:47 am to
There is so much shitty, pretentious modern art that I don't have time to hate on Jackson Pollock. At least when I see a Pollock at a museum it's somewhat interesting.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 9:02 am to
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I like it but I didn't until I learned more about both him and his work.


This has happened to me a lot.

It is true with music as well. Sometimes the real meaning of a song is where the art is at
This post was edited on 2/20/16 at 9:14 am
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 10:26 am to
These splatter painting is the equivalent of someone randomly yelling, grunting, and squealing into a microphone and calling it music. Its a lazy way to make a living and an insult to people who are legitimately good at their craft.
Posted by PygmalionEffect
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 11:04 am to
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Wolfe provides his own history of what he sees as the devolution to modern art. He summarized that history: "In the beginning we got rid of nineteenth-century storybook realism. Then we got rid of representational objects. Then we got rid of the third dimension altogether and got really flat (Abstract Expressionism). Then we got rid of airiness, brushstrokes, most of the paint, and the last viruses of drawing and complicated designs". After providing examples of other techniques and the schools that abandoned them, Wolfe concluded with Conceptual Art: "…there, at last, it was! No more realism, no more representation objects, no more lines, colors, forms, and contours, no more pigments, no more brushstrokes. …Art made its final flight, climbed higher and higher in an ever-decreasing tighter-turning spiral until… it disappeared up its own fundamental aperture… and came out the other side as Art Theory!… Art Theory pure and simple, words on a page, literature undefiled by vision… late twentieth-century Modern Art was about to fulfill its destiny, which was: to become nothing less than Literature pure and simple"



Boom is right!

The genius of Thomas Wolfe putting my thoughts into words so much more brilliantly than i could, while at the same time giving me a deeper understanding of my initial opinion of this art movement.

Basically what Wolfe is saying here is that these people are no longer painting artists, they're bullshite artists.

Slap some paint on a canvas with the artistry being the literary story concocted by the painter of what the painting represents.



Sheep met shepherd.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 11:12 am to
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That's all it was.



That's your problem. You really think that.
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 11:52 am to
I find characature artists in Jackson Square to have more artistic ability than most impressionist artists. I saw a painting in a museum once that was a large plane white canvas with just a red square at the top. It got equal billing as a fantastic painting of the Battle of Waterloo that had to have taken many months if not years to complete.

Ridiculous
Posted by Negative Nomad
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 12:19 pm to
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Posted by danilo
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 12:29 pm to
I ate Chipotle yesterday and made a Jackson Pollack in my underwear.
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 1:29 pm to
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I think people believe they have elite intelligence, therefore, they can see genius where less fortunates cannot - it's simply narcissism manifested via art. However, the reality is that Jackson was a drunkard who gave up on traditional art because he wasn't being noticed for his talent; thus, he expressed his anger and disappointment with randomness and was noted for being a pioneer...but, his acclaim comes from beginning a new trend, not on his artistic prowess.
IDK if you're right, but I like it. (the explanation)

FWIW, I saw a guy freehand paint numbers on a racecar and I thought that was pretty badass. Lines were perfectly straight, too.
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 1:34 pm to
It's his name, you get some shitty art student to make a splatter, hang it in MOMA, and tell everyone it's a Pollock all these dipshits will say it has depth and all kinds of garbage. The minute you tell them it is a shitty art student painting they will all make up garbage about how they knew it wasn't Pollock.

A lot of expensive art is about the artist more than the skill. Lots and lots of extremely skilled artists out there that their paintings are worth shite.
This post was edited on 2/20/16 at 1:35 pm
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 1:41 pm to


Wow. A brave criticism of capitalism as viewed by Maoist rebels.
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 1:42 pm to
It is not art.
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 1:42 pm to
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Basically what Wolfe is saying here is that these people are no longer painting artists, they're bullshite artists. 
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 1:43 pm to
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Fun Bunch
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Sheep met shepherd.
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 1:47 pm to
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Wow. A brave criticism of capitalism as viewed by Maoist rebels.
You may have a bright future as an art critic!
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 1:54 pm to
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 I can find the artistry in all of Pollock's works. He's one of my favorites. Maybe I have a general attraction to the abstract. I will say this about all art in general, some will like it and some won't. It's value is merely a perception. 
Thank you!

I respect your honest opinion and explanation of your attraction to abstract art. Unlike most others who try to give it some deep meaning mumbo-jumbo bullshite. And, you didn't insult others by saying "you just don't get it," i.e., "you're too stupid to get it, but I'm not."

Here's to you one day owning a Pollock.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 2:22 pm to
Always entertaining to read a thread where rednecks critique the work of Jackson Pollock.
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 2/20/16 at 2:27 pm to
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Always entertaining to read a thread where rednecks critique the work of Jackson Pollock.
Aaaaaand another pretentious a-hole joins the fray!

Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
17823 posts
Posted on 2/20/16 at 2:30 pm to
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I think people believe they have elite intelligence, therefore, they can see genius where less fortunates cannot - it's simply narcissism manifested via art. However, the reality is that Jackson was a drunkard who gave up on traditional art because he wasn't being noticed for his talent; thus, he expressed his anger and disappointment with randomness and was noted for being a pioneer...but, his acclaim comes from beginning a new trend, not on his artistic prowess.

Good post.
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