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re: Spinoff: the American Civil War never happened. How long until slavery ended?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:11 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:11 pm to OMLandshark
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I'm going with 1890, at least legal American slavery. Slavery still exists today. The industrial revolution would not only make it impractical, but the Europeans were managing to grow our prized crops in India and they had become quite efficient at it. Plus I think Europeans would start to have a problem taking crops directly from slave labor.
Slave labor existed bc of the Europeans (GB/England). It was part of their "free-trade" model.
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Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:11 pm to SamuelClemens
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10-15 yrs.
As evidenced by all the measures discussed in Southern legislatures and halls of power. As evidenced in all of the Declarations of Secession discussing sunset provisions of slavery. As evidenced by compromise measures proposed in the Congress after the Republicans were elected to power in 1860--you know, instead of the whole "let's start a fricking war" thing. Let me save some time. Everything except the "let's start a fricking war" was sarcasm.
This is all you get for free, Sammy. Read a book with more words than pictures--especially one that granddaddy didn't recommend.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:12 pm to ksayetiger
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I think i might agree but i want to see what you mean by this
Sex mostly, but there's definitely manual out there too in the third world. Not legally binding slavery, but slavery nonetheless.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:13 pm to alajones
One generation, it was becoming economically unfeasible
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:13 pm to Rickety Cricket
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It would have stuck around longer in the South due to the lack of education and lower intelligence levels of southerners.
This^
Hell, Mississippi just started the strong talk of getting rid of their state flag this year. Slavery would have been a mainstay in Mississippi and Alabama for decades
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:14 pm to fr33manator
It would have lasted till after World
War 2. It would have become more entrenched and Southerners would have defended it. Northerners would not have bothered with it on the whole.
Look at how long Jim Crow lasted. There is your answer. It was not all about economics.
War 2. It would have become more entrenched and Southerners would have defended it. Northerners would not have bothered with it on the whole.
Look at how long Jim Crow lasted. There is your answer. It was not all about economics.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:19 pm to Navytiger74
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As evidenced by all the measures discussed in Southern legislatures and halls of power. As evidenced in all of the Declarations of Secession discussing sunset provisions of slavery. As evidenced by compromise measures proposed in the Congress after the Republicans were elected to power in 1860--you know, instead of the whole "let's start a fricking war thing." Let me save some time. Everything except the "let's start a fricking war" was sarcasm.
Meh, the whole plantation model was on its way out, so it would have effectively become defunct within a few decades, regardless of its legality (which is the premise of this thread). The guy you are responding to is obviously referencing the Industrial Revolution, which is key.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:20 pm to Lou Pai
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The guy you are responding to is obviously referencing the Industrial Revolution, which is key.
Yes. The industrial revolution that would have swept the agrarian south sometime before WWII because--magic. Danke, Lou.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:23 pm to Big_Sur
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The Jews would have regained their spot as leaders of the European slave trade and would have become a major influence in the South. The South would have become the homeland for the Jews in the beginning of the 20th Century and the Holocaust would not have occurred. The Southern Jews would have maintained a healthy slave trade through the centuries. iPhones and other electronics would be manufactured in Mississippi if the War of Northern Aggression hadn't occurred.
oh goodness
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:24 pm to Navytiger74
I'm guessing you're being sarcastic, but yeah, the industrial revolution had a huge effect on agriculture, as it did in Europe.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:24 pm to Navytiger74
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Yes. The industrial revolution that would have swept the agrarian south sometime before WWII because--magic. Danke, Lou.
Are you suggesting that the industrial revolution would have somehow skipped the south?
You realize we were making planes by the 1910s...right?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:25 pm to fr33manator
In the south or the north?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:27 pm to fr33manator
quote:Yes. A lot of places.
Is there legal slavery anywhere else in the world?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:28 pm to Lou Pai
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I'm guessing you're being sarcastic, but yeah, the industrial revolution had a huge effect on agriculture, as it did in Europe.
So let's talk about how the South's primary economic driver circa 1930 was airplane manufacture (courtesy of you and freemantor). And let's be sure to mention how agriculture was no longer driven by physical, manual (that means "by hand"), by-hand labor.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:28 pm to ballscaster
Legal.
The keyword there is Legal
The keyword there is Legal
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:29 pm to ballscaster
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Yes. A lot of places.
It's still technically illegal in every country in the world, it's just not widely as enforced in those countries.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:32 pm to AlaTiger
it would have ended around the time that Brazil outlawed slavery, it has nothing to do with the southern plantations owners having a conscience or an epiphany that slavery was wrong. What would have ended it was the world`s quickly changing view of slavery, as soon as France and England stopped buying southern cotton you would have seen those same slaveowners in old pictures with their arms around their former slaves (though still extremely lowly paid freemen)
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:34 pm to Navytiger74
Way to twist my words.
I was simply saying that the industrial revolution did not simply skip the south. They weren't building flying cars in Yankeeland while banging rocks together in Dixie.
Legal slavery after 1940 in the US is laughable. It would simply become financially untenable. You'd have seen a switch to sharecropping and the like. Times were changing and the war and reconstruction set everything back. Jim Crow was a backlash to that.
I was simply saying that the industrial revolution did not simply skip the south. They weren't building flying cars in Yankeeland while banging rocks together in Dixie.
Legal slavery after 1940 in the US is laughable. It would simply become financially untenable. You'd have seen a switch to sharecropping and the like. Times were changing and the war and reconstruction set everything back. Jim Crow was a backlash to that.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:34 pm to Lou Pai
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but yeah, the industrial revolution had a huge effect on agriculture, as it did in Europe.
Even Russia freed their serfs in the 1860s. Slavery was on its way out worldwide in this era.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:36 pm to fr33manator
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Legal slavery after 1940 in the US is laughable. It would simply become financially untenable. You'd have seen a switch to sharecropping and the like. Times were changing and the war and reconstruction set everything back. Jim Crow was a backlash to that.
I argued that it would have lasted up until about WWII, so I'm not sure we disagree. But that still moves the entire timeline back.
Face it, brother. There are no laurels for the slave economy to latch onto or rest upon. It's just a shameful legacy.
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