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Spinoff: the American Civil War never happened. How long until slavery ended?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:45 pm
American chattel Slavery was on its way out already due to the rise of industrialization and machines, much like the manual and menial labor of today is being replaced by robotics (which you could argue to simply be another form of slavery, but that's another thread for another night.)
Had the violence not broken out and the myriad reasons for the civil war not ignited the powder keg, how long before slavery was done away with voluntarily?
The cost of feeding, housing, caring for and tending to humans is extreme, and one has to think that once a mechanical alternative that allowed farmers to do the work of hundreds with only a few, voluntary manumission would become more commonplace.
I think by the turn of the century (or sooner) you'd have transitioned to a U.S. Where slavery wouldn't exist in the form we know it, if at all.
Especially with the flood of Immigrants who were cheaper and much more expendable than slaves, you'd see a dramatic shift towards hiring workers, or perhaps freeing all slaves and allowing those who wished to remain on voluntarily resigning themselves to a period of indentured servitude.
What do you think? How long would it have taken and would the situation have been better or worse? What would the driving factors be?
Had the violence not broken out and the myriad reasons for the civil war not ignited the powder keg, how long before slavery was done away with voluntarily?
The cost of feeding, housing, caring for and tending to humans is extreme, and one has to think that once a mechanical alternative that allowed farmers to do the work of hundreds with only a few, voluntary manumission would become more commonplace.
I think by the turn of the century (or sooner) you'd have transitioned to a U.S. Where slavery wouldn't exist in the form we know it, if at all.
Especially with the flood of Immigrants who were cheaper and much more expendable than slaves, you'd see a dramatic shift towards hiring workers, or perhaps freeing all slaves and allowing those who wished to remain on voluntarily resigning themselves to a period of indentured servitude.
What do you think? How long would it have taken and would the situation have been better or worse? What would the driving factors be?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:46 pm to fr33manator
Would a form of slavery still be around today, maybe.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:47 pm to fr33manator
30 years or so max. Tractors, combines, etc were all cheaper in the long run and much more productive than slave labor.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:47 pm to fr33manator
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This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 12:00 am
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:48 pm to rantfan
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Would a form of slavery still be around today, maybe.
I highly doubt it.
Is there legal slavery anywhere else in the world? Abolition was coming and coming fast. It doesn't last past the turn of the century even without the war
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:48 pm to fr33manator
I imagine a constitutional amendment wasn't too far off.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:51 pm to fr33manator
I'm going with 1890, at least legal American slavery. Slavery still exists today. The industrial revolution would not only make it impractical, but the Europeans were managing to grow our prized crops in India and they had become quite efficient at it. Plus I think Europeans would start to have a problem taking crops directly from slave labor.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:53 pm to Topwater Trout
America.
It's still in Africa
It's still in Africa
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:53 pm to fr33manator
Slavery was on its way out already, because the need for it was quickly vanishing due to cost. As it was, slaves were a luxury item that not every household could afford. Many leaders of the confederacy had moral objections to it as well. Just like now, the poor, uneducated, racists of the day would've fought tooth and nail to keep it around, but the business men of the time (many, slave owners) saw the writing on the wall.
So to answer your question. A generation or less
So to answer your question. A generation or less
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:56 pm to fr33manator
There are legal forms of slavery, get busted with a dime bag of weed. You may find yourself working at a chicken plant for very little an hour. In my area the parish jail has some guys running machines for very little at a privately owned business. The owner is making a killing off of these guys, they're not learning a trade like they think. When they get out they're just low on the totem pole button pushers.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:59 pm to fr33manator
When did Brazil technically outlaw it?
About that time (1888?) but we're more a nation of the rule of law so it would have been enforced better than it was in Brazil.
About that time (1888?) but we're more a nation of the rule of law so it would have been enforced better than it was in Brazil.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:04 pm to fr33manator
It would have stuck around longer in the South due to the lack of education and lower intelligence levels of southerners.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:05 pm to Brosef Stalin
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30 years or so max. Tractors, combines, etc were all cheaper in the long run and much more productive than slave labor.
First historically ignorant post logged.
I'll give you a jump start: The Cotton Gin made manual labor more profitable. Cotton was hand-picked into the 1950s.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:07 pm to Big_Sur
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Big_Sur
Is this your Stormfront username as well?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 9:08 pm to OMLandshark
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Slavery still exists today.
I would like to hear more, please. I think i might agree but i want to see what you mean by this
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