re: Spinoff: the American Civil War never happened. How long until slavery ended?

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1870. It was already on it's way out.

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No. No.

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The importation of slaves had stopped back in the 1830s.

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Legally it stopped in 1808-09.

But I'd argue that a natural progression to a voluntary end of slavery would have been much less costly as far as human cost and race relations. Hell, society as a whole would have ended up better. [/img]

As an institution, it is so morally bankrupt, the [i]ownership of another human being, that to continue for any more time at all would not have been tenable. Would a voluntary end in say 1880 have made any difference in how each race viewed the other? Ending slavery was as good a reason as any in our history that American blood has been spilled over.

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Would a voluntary end in say 1880 have made any difference in how each race viewed the other?

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Yes. Very much so. The blood of hundreds of thousands of dead and decades of systematic oppression and the retaliation to said oppression tends to leave more bad blood than a peaceful resolution to change.

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he American Civil War never happened. How long until slavery ended?

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a decade or so in dwindling form.

No. The non-importation of slaves act of 1807 was passed for two reasons. 1. The trade was deplorable and immoral. 2. The Northern States were tired of an uneven playing field regarding labor costs.

However, thousands more blacks were illegally smuggled into the States via the Louisiana Bayous around Barataria to Galveston by Pierre and Jean Lafitte and dozens of other Privateers/Corsairs well into the 1820s. The ships of these corsairs were given privateer commissions and flew under the flags of Revolutionary juntas in Mexico and Cartagena trying to break away from Spanish control. Most slaves that were sold illegally after Jan 1808 were taken as prizes from Spanish merchant ships filled with Africans bound to be sold into slavery in their Caribbean, Central and South American colonies. The Lafitte operations seized the ships under questionable privateer commissions and off loaded the goods on Grande Isle west of NOLA. An island and pass that only their ships could access as the American and Spanish frigates were to large to pursue beyond the pass. Transferred to pirogues, the slaves would paddled miles above NOLA via various bayous to be sold at auction from $400-$700. After that operation was busted up around 1814, the privateers just moved their operation to Galveston. The slaves were sent up the Sabine River which was the boundary between the U.S. Louisiana purchase territory and Spanish territory. They were sold on the Spanish side to Americans who traveled from afar for the notorious Lafitte auctions. The Spanish had no precense their to police the sale of the slaves taken from their ships and the U.S. had no legal jurisdiction.

The south would be like Eastern Europe. Just weird white people without jobs.

yes there is legal slavery everywhere that Islam has control of government.

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What would have ended it was the world`s quickly changing view of slavery, as soon as France and England stopped buying southern cotton

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I agree, if the demand for the product wasn't there, due to a boycott based on labor practices, the labor practices would have changed.

If not, then it would certainly have ended by the 1920s after the boll weevil practically destroyed the southern cotton crop. It would have been economically disastrous to keep slaves and provide for them without being able to make money from their labor.

Plus there would have been competition from the Irish, Italians and chinamen.

Cheaper to pay a mick a pittance and let him worry about his lot in life than to house, feed and care for slaves.