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re: Southwest Airlines removes boy living with autism and his family from flight over mask

Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:11 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:11 am to
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I have zero problem with this


I have an issue expecting 3 year olds to wear a mask for lengthy periods of times. There needs to be some leeway. But the family could have taken alternative transport.
This post was edited on 8/14/20 at 10:12 am
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135060 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:16 am to
Let me be clear.

I don’t care about the kid. I don’t care about the Karen. I don’t care about the airline. I don’t care about any of the specifics.

The pertinent point for me is that when it comes to the virus there’s really no functional difference between a 2 yo and a 3 yo. Hell, in terms of transmission there’s not much difference between a 2yo and a 9yo.

If their policy was the all passengers had to be in a bubble and wear clown shoes, would you say “well that’s their policy?”

You’d be right, but it doesn’t mean the policy is grounded in reality. Stay 6 feet away from the little booger eater. Shouldn’t be that close anyway. More likely to get chicken pox from him than the Rona.

My gripe is with illogical policies, not the minutiae.
Posted by DomincDecoco
RIP Ronnie fights Thoth’s loafers
Member since Oct 2018
12018 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:18 am to
quote:

My gripe is with illogical policies, not the minutiae.



Posted by Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
3412 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:19 am to
quote:

I have an issue expecting 3 year olds to wear a mask for lengthy periods of times. There needs to be some leeway. But the family could have taken alternative transport.




Most businesses including airlines DO NOT WANT TO ENFORCE A STRINGENT MASK POLICY.

The MAJOR reason they are doing so is the same group of mold infected fecal growths that make Louisiana have the highest car insurance cost in the country. Plaintiff lawyers are masturbating to pictures of the Covid virus as many see this as the next big score.
Posted by logjamming
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:19 am to
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This post was edited on 8/26/20 at 11:01 am
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37499 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:23 am to
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I think I’m pretty well versed.....

anyway, here is some light reading on ADA and mask wearing specifically. Think it would be a good case. Southwest has a good argument for undue burden, but they better hope the dotted their Is and crossed there Ts before sending this family on their way


Do you not think that this would fall under a "direct threat"? If the argument for mask wearing is that if you don't wear a mask, you are a threat to others on the flight, because there is no way to social distance on a flight, then I would think not wearing a mask on a flight would be considered a "direct threat".
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37499 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:25 am to
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What’s the functional difference, with concern for the virus, between a 2 yo and a 3 yo?

What's the functional difference between a 20 year old and a 21 year old? We have to have a line of demarcation somewhere.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
117338 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:28 am to
Seems to me the husband should get his arse on a plane
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135060 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:32 am to
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What's the functional difference between a 20 year old and a 21 year old? We have to have a line of demarcation somewhere.


So you at least admit it’s pretty arbitrary?

Posted by andwesway
Zachary, LA
Member since Jun 2016
3814 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:32 am to
Can that kid with autism still be carrying COVID-19 and spread it throughout the plane? If so, sorry, but he needs a mask or a private vehicle to travel in.
Posted by LSUJML
Central
Member since May 2008
56857 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:35 am to
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Can that kid with autism still be carrying COVID-19 and spread it throughout the plane? If so, sorry, but he needs a mask or a private vehicle to travel in.


What about the 1 year old with Covid on the seat behind them not wearing a mask because they don’t require it?

Posted by Box Geauxrilla
Member since Jun 2013
19221 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:35 am to
The dumbest shite in all of this is that you can take off your mask to eat and drink while on a plane. So if they had theoretically given this kid a bag of Cheerios and he slowly ate them, he’d be able to have his mask off the whole time.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135060 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:36 am to
Because it isn’t about disease. It’s about compliance.
Posted by HogWalloper
LaLaLand
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:36 am to
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This post was edited on 5/31/21 at 9:19 am
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37499 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:40 am to
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So you at least admit it’s pretty arbitrary?


100%, but so are most of our laws. What's the difference between 17 and 18? 16 and 17? 15 and 16? We have laws that "respect" a difference between all of these pairs of ages, and in reality, it doesn't make much sense.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112727 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:49 am to
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Do you not think that this would fall under a "direct threat"? If the argument for mask wearing is that if you don't wear a mask, you are a threat to others on the flight, because there is no way to social distance on a flight, then I would think not wearing a mask on a flight would be considered a "direct threat".
Did Southwest offer the child other means to cover their face?

Did they have face shields or other coverings besides a mask to offer? If not, they will lose this legal battle
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37499 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:51 am to
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Did Southwest offer the child other means to cover their face?

Did they have face shields or other coverings besides a mask to offer? If not, they will lose this legal battle


From reading your link, it doesn't say that they have to offer other means, they just have to allow other means.

quote:

Examples of reasonable modifications to a face mask policy
Allow a person to wear a scarf, loose face covering, or full face shield instead of a face mask;
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135060 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:53 am to
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100%, but so are most of our laws. What's the difference between 17 and 18? 16 and 17? 15 and 16? We have laws that "respect" a difference between all of these pairs of ages, and in reality, it doesn't make much sense



In essence, what I’m saying is,

Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17876 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:58 am to
I thought most exemptions were for 6 and under. Southwest is definitely in the wrong, here. A 3 year old special needs child should have been a no brainer to allow to fly.

Flew Southwest a few weeks ago and the masks weren't a big deal. The best part was empty middle seats. I wouldn't mind keeping that policy, even if they have to raise prices 1/3.

Though it's silly that they come around and offer you a small pour of water but won't serves soft drinks.
This post was edited on 8/14/20 at 11:06 am
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12866 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 11:14 am to
quote:

Let me be clear.

I’m still having a little trouble understanding your point. Can you explain it again a few more times?
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