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re: Southern Baptist Convention: IVF is a sin
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:48 am to Supravol22
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:48 am to Supravol22
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It's always the people who have been able to have kids naturally that preach down to others about IVF. frick off unless you've had to deal with it yourselves.
Exactly
Also….considering the Catholic Church hid the fact for decades that many of their priests were literally fricking little boys and didn’t hold them accountable means they can’t say jack shite about “morals”
Organized religion is all a bunch of hypocrites.
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:52 am to VanRIch
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VanRIch
You catholic baw?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:56 am to North Dallas Tiger
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Think for a moment about the power to create a human life. The power of creation is sacred. Our power as humans to create a human life in the image of the Great Creator is very Holy and Divine. It's easy to see why. The power of creation is the power of God. Where in our Father God's creation (Mother Nature) do you see IVF? This is as unnnatural as all the other stuff we all admonish in this, the month of June, in the year of our Lord, 2024... Amen
Seek a mental health counselor immediately.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:57 am to Foch
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Is it natural to throw 4+ fertilized eggs into a womb at the same time?
Are natural fraternal twins and triplets unnatural? People that are using multiple eggs are in almost every case dealing with fertilized eggs with a low probability of viability. They are giving every single one a chance. God's will decides what happens then.
Is owning a gun a sin? Guns can be used to kill people which is a sin, but owning and using a gun isn't necessarily a sin. Circumstances matter.
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IVF is not good, and you cannot confuse the ends (a precious life) with the means (destruction of life and numerous unnatural ac
It is good if it promotes life. IVF brings life into the world. It brings souls for Christ. You are fighting on the side of less life.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:57 am to JohnnyKilroy
Non-denominational
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:58 am to BlackAdam
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I began to hate IVF when a friend of my late wife’s was talking giddily about selectively destroying the girl embryos because they wanted a baseball player. A weeks later when the boys didn’t implant she was devestator, and I could never understand how she could be upset about this loss in light of how she was joking about destroying the girls.
You are using one circumstance to condemn a practice that allows people that want a child no matter what the gender.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:00 am to ThePoo
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A lot of religious people and conservatives view IVF as not good
They view it as as the commoditization of human life, while also denying infants their natural mother . It is being outlawed in many places now
The thought is logically consistent with those that believe life begins at conception
SBC and anyone else who believes that can go frick themselves in their ignorant faces.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 9:02 am
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:00 am to TigerDeacon
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You are using one circumstance to condemn a practice that allows people that want a child no matter what the gender.
Agree. By that logic, nobody should have children if we are judged by the worst of our kind in each conception circumstance.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:02 am to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:FIFY
And I'm cafeteria Catholic.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:09 am to VanRIch
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thank my God everyday for modern medicine.
Good thing you don’t follow his God. His God would have made you a widow with no son. His God sounds like a real fricking a-hole to me
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:10 am to Jim Rockford
It’s not all about IVF in its current understanding. It’s the things that IVF leads to 20-30 years down the road that y’all aren’t thinking about. Soon you’ll be able to pick features of your kids and build a perfect baby.
In a vacuum IVF is ok but doctors, clinics, medical industry would never agree to the restrictions needed to make it ok to Christian’s standards. Christians believe that life begins at conception they also can’t turn around and ignore millions of frozen embryos fertilized and sitting in storage waiting to be destroyed because some doctor deemed them “high risk” or “imperfect”.
In a vacuum IVF is ok but doctors, clinics, medical industry would never agree to the restrictions needed to make it ok to Christian’s standards. Christians believe that life begins at conception they also can’t turn around and ignore millions of frozen embryos fertilized and sitting in storage waiting to be destroyed because some doctor deemed them “high risk” or “imperfect”.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 9:12 am
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:11 am to nicholastiger
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do you let religion define your life?
Yes, there is nothing more important than God. Luckily, He forgives.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:13 am to jchamil
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Sounds like you might be ignorant to the process as well. That doesn't always happen.
Well, considering I’ve done it in animals and wrote a masters thesis on the process, I think I have a very good handle on what happens.
For those comparing a natural loss I’m on an in utero child to abortion get real.
If you’re Catholic and want to read more I suggest Humane Vitae.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:13 am to DVA Tailgater
quote:he forgives the unrepentant?
Luckily, He forgives.
Let me know the first IVF participants who are truly sorry they did it and wish they could go back in time and not have their children.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:14 am to olemissfan26
I'm shocked at so many thinking this is natural.
Catholics hoping for outside doctor and science help? Pretty wild
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:16 am to North Dallas Tiger
quote:Then maybe if God wasn't such a bitch and kept people from getting pregnant who actually want to be, we wouldn't be here.
Think for a moment about the power to create a human life. The power of creation is sacred. Our power as humans to create a human life in the image of the Great Creator is very Holy and Divine. It's easy to see why. The power of creation is the power of God. Where in our Father God's creation (Mother Nature) do you see IVF?
This is as unnnatural as all the other stuff we all admonish in this, the month of June, in the year of our Lord, 2024...
Amen
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:17 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Well, considering I’ve done it in animals
Another weird as frick feature of catholicism/christianity is how it’s so human centric.
Ivf in humans is playing god but artificial insemination of animals is a-ok. Make it make sense.
“Everything bad in the world is a result of Man’s sin”
Damn my dog got cancer and died because of man sinning? Tough break fido, you never had a chance.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:19 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:So it's ok for non-religious people to vote in a way that shapes to country according to their worldview, but it's not ok for religious people to do the same? That's how we got to where we are in this country, the suppression of Christian values.
The moment that belief is used to create legislation to ban IVF for everyone, it’s a problem.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:22 am to North Dallas Tiger
What about IUI in your eyes? All IUI does is insert the guys at perfect timing into the female to maximize odds. Yes theres medications to help increase chances, but I'd love to hear your take on that.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:22 am to StrongOffer
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So it's ok for non-religious people to vote in a way that shapes to country according to their worldview, but it's not ok for religious people to do the same? That's how we got to where we are in this country, the suppression of Christian values.
This is so antithetical to this country and it's founding.
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