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re: Southern Baptist Convention: IVF is a sin

Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:10 am to
Posted by North Dallas Tiger
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:10 am to
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It is a sin



quote:

Who says?


Well my friend, that would be Nature. Because it does not happen in Nature, naturally, naturally speaking, of course...
Posted by North Dallas Tiger
United States of America
Member since Mar 2024
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:22 am to
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frick nature nature a ho


this comment is so extremely underrated and under appreciated it saddens my soul

Hand on the Bible, this comment is the best comment I have read in response to one of my 3000 posts in 2024 - salute to you, internet user






This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 2:30 am
Posted by turnpiketiger
Member since May 2020
12248 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:41 am to
Baptists are so freaking weird
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:49 am to

I actually agree with the SBC and I'm certain they did their due diligence. It's akin to Catholicism and birth control. Or CRISPR. RU486. Day after. Abortion. Name it.

God's Will comes down to science, now?

If we say so... OT.

Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59878 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:09 am to
one of the major problems with IVF is what happens to the unused embryos. Many of them are simply discarded. While these human lives are tiny they are still human lives.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:13 am to

Embryos naturally discarded is a debate now? Are you sure?
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59878 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:14 am to
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Maybe it is, maybe it’s not. But I’m not about to tell a woman she’s committing a mortal sin by attempting to bring a new life into this world by using IVF because she can’t get pregnant the traditional way.


who is culpable in IVF is a difficult matter. I would guess most people who practice IVF are not guilty of mortal sin, mainly because when they went to the doctor to get the procedure done, they had no idea it was sinful. So while they partcipated in a sinful act it wasn't mortal.

Mortal sin is

1) grave matter
2) Full Knowledge
3) deliberate consent

Also if a woman has a baby through IVF we still see that child as a child of God created in the image and likeness. Just like we would see a child born out of wedlock as a child of God, the same is true for IVF babies.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59878 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:16 am to
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Embryos naturally discarded is a debate now? Are you sure?


naturally discarded?

creating a life in a petri dish is not natural. Discarding the same life is unnatural.

a miscarriage while horrible is natural and in no way sinful.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:19 am to
Did you say this
quote:

While these human lives are tiny they are still human lives.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59878 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:20 am to
last post from me for now.

Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59878 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:22 am to
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Did you say this


I don't see how I'm contradicting myself

it's wrong to create a life in a petri dish, it is wrong to discard a life that was created in a petri dish and finally any life created in a petri dish is created in the image and likeness of God.

Ok I have to go. Have a nice day
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:23 am to

Have a great day.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:43 am to

Your video doesn't address miscarriage and death.

Does God have rule over barren women, miscarriage, unviable or otherwise choice to never want offspring via birth control?
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:48 am to
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do you let religion define your life?
no one makes you practice baptist way of life
you can practice whatever faith you want


If only the Baptists and Catholics would stay out of my way of life, I may be more understanding.
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
12782 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:49 am to
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Doesn’t matter anyhow because my boys can swim.


So can mine. Doesn’t matter if the egg never makes contact.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:51 am to

Ask the board Catholics if their women consume daily birth control pills or pull out...
Posted by turnpiketiger
Member since May 2020
12248 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:23 am to
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I actually agree with the SBC and I'm certain they did their due diligence. It's akin to Catholicism and birth control. Or CRISPR. RU486. Day after. Abortion. Name it. God's Will comes down to science, now? If we say so... OT.


Go back to bed boomer.


Posted by turnpiketiger
Member since May 2020
12248 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:24 am to
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If only the Baptists and Catholics would stay out of my way of life, I may be more understanding.


Organized religion is the biggest sham
Posted by low end
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Member since May 2024
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:25 am to
Guess I'll just continue living life as a sinner. Oh well.
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12738 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:28 am to
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Organized religion is the biggest sham

No, that would be government.
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