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Something to consider about the early advancement of aviation.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 9:52 pm
Ok. This is the first airplane. It took flight in 1903....
It’s first flight lasted only seconds and covered a distance that’s less than the wingspan of a B-52 bomber.
Now, just 8 years later the German made Etrich Tuabe made history on November 1, 1911 when it carried out the first arial bombing mission in history. It was piloted by an Italian pilot who hand dropped basically what was hand grenades in Libya.
Only 44 years later am American B29 Superfortress...
Wiped out an entire city with a single bomb.
So In a span of less than 50 years we went from flying wood and canvas planes a distance of a few hundred feet to flying all metal planes capable of flying over 5,000 miles with the ability to destroy entire cities with a single bomb.
And they did it all without the aid of computers.
It’s first flight lasted only seconds and covered a distance that’s less than the wingspan of a B-52 bomber.
Now, just 8 years later the German made Etrich Tuabe made history on November 1, 1911 when it carried out the first arial bombing mission in history. It was piloted by an Italian pilot who hand dropped basically what was hand grenades in Libya.
Only 44 years later am American B29 Superfortress...
Wiped out an entire city with a single bomb.
So In a span of less than 50 years we went from flying wood and canvas planes a distance of a few hundred feet to flying all metal planes capable of flying over 5,000 miles with the ability to destroy entire cities with a single bomb.
And they did it all without the aid of computers.
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:04 pm to Darth_Vader
I love aviation history. Thanks for posting.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:04 pm to Darth_Vader
The white man, bruh. We some sharp, sadistic mutha frickas.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:04 pm to Darth_Vader
It's almost like someone discovered technology from another civilization.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:07 pm to Darth_Vader
I'd like to read about the history of airports, as well.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:10 pm to Jim Rockford
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It's almost like someone discovered technology from another civilization.
It’s kinda depressing though when you consider the advancements made in the first 50 or so years in aviation, especially considering they did with with slides and rules, compared to the past 50 or so years and we have all their knowledge and the aid of advanced computers to help us. I mean, shouldn’t we be making weekly flights to Jupiter by now?
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:16 pm to Darth_Vader
I went to the National WWII museum Air Expo a couple years ago. Had the chance to tour a B-17 and then the B-29 back to back. Those planes were designed only a few years apart from one another but the B-29 has more in common with a modern airplane designed today than it does with the B-17 designed only 5 or 6 years before it.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:21 pm to Darth_Vader
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It’s kinda depressing though when you consider the advancements made in the first 50 or so years in aviation, especially considering they did with with slides and rules, compared to the past 50 or so years and we have all their knowledge and the aid of advanced computers to help us. I mean, shouldn’t we be making weekly flights to Jupiter by now?
So I take it you have no grasp on the insane innovation and complexity of today's planes.
That was a seriously dumb post.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:22 pm to Darth_Vader
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And they did it all without the aid of computers.
I get your point but FWIW, be aware that at the tail end of what you were referring to was heavy into computing.
Almost every bomber had a mechanical computer aboard, and analog computing was so critical for the Manhattan project it had a full time machine shop dedicated to repairs and maintenance.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:23 pm to Jim Rockford
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It's almost like someone discovered technology from another civilization.
I like the direction you're going here...
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:26 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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So I take it you have no grasp on the insane innovation and complexity of today's planes.
More that you know.
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That was a seriously dumb post.
Such a stupid comment to make.
You missed the entire point. So let me me spell it out to you. When you compare the level of advancement in the first 50 or so years in flight to the last roughly 50 years, you’d have to be an idiot to not recognize the first half far exceeds the second when it comes to the level of advancements.
But then again maybe you’re just an idiot.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:27 pm to Darth_Vader
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It’s kinda depressing though when you consider the advancements made in the first 50 or so years in aviation, especially considering they did with with slides and rules, compared to the past 50 or so years and we have all their knowledge and the aid of advanced computers to help us. I mean, shouldn’t we be making weekly flights to Jupiter by now?
Well planes crash a lot less now than they did 50 years ago despite there being exponentially more flights. So there’s that.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:30 pm to Darth_Vader
It all started in a bicycle shop in Dayton Oh
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:31 pm to Darth_Vader
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It’s kinda depressing though when you consider the advancements made in the first 50 or so years in aviation, especially considering they did with with slides and rules, compared to the past 50 or so years and we have all their knowledge and the aid of advanced computers to help us. I mean, shouldn’t we be making weekly flights to Jupiter by now?
The amount of energy it takes to move a kilogram out of if earth orbit hasn’t changed. It doesn’t matter how fast you can calculate it if the physics doesn’t change.
If you step away from your expectations made out of ignorance (costs aside, why would we even have weekly trips to Jupiter? To have a scenic vacation?) and look at what we actually have done....
Take the curiosity rover. Take a look at the massive achievement it was to land a nuclear powered full analytical lab on a skid the side of an SUV.
Why take years out of peoples lives to do science achievable via robotics?
By comparison, the on site science of the lunar landings were limited by space and about 400 Amp-hours of battery capacity.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:40 pm to Darth_Vader
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You missed the entire point. So let me me spell it out to you. When you compare the level of advancement in the first 50 or so years I’m flight to the last roughly 50 years, you’d have to be an idiot to not recognize the first half far exceeds the second when it comes to the level of advancements.
I mean, welcome to the lifecycle of a new technology?
The rate of advancement is always going to be lightning fast at the start and slow down over time. That depresses you? fricking weirdo.
I still contend that the last 50 years of aviation innovation is incredible and nothing to be "depressed" over.
Supersonic commercial airlines
The fricking space shuttle
private citizens successfully launching gigantic rockets into space....and then recovering all of the boosters for re-use
A single F15 fighter can demolish a fleet of fighters from just a generation before it.
Drone tech
To say that level of innovation is so far behind the first 50 years of flight that it's depressing is just so fricking stupid on so many levels.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 11:08 pm to Volvagia
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The amount of energy it takes to move a kilogram out of if earth orbit hasn’t changed. It doesn’t matter how fast you can calculate it if the physics doesn’t change.
Similar issue with commercial flight speed. Doesn’t matter how fast a plane can theoretically go, the amount of fuel required to overcome drag at or above the speed of sound is staggering.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 11:11 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Supersonic commercial airlines
That was the concord which first flew in 1969 and has now been retired for 16 years. What other supersonic commercial airliners are operational today?
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The fricking space shuttle
Developed over 40 years ago and last flown almost a decade ago. It’s replacement isn’t even in production yet. Furthermore the shuttle replaced a system capable of lunar orbit while it could not even leave earth’s orbit.
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A single F15 fighter can demolish a fleet of fighters from just a generation before it.
As if this hasn’t been true of virtually every fighter in history. If you put a P-51 Mustang up against a fleet of Albatros D.Vs the outcome would be no different than a single F15 against a fleet of Mig-19s.
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Drone tech
Has been around since the early 1900s. The Germans used drone technology in WWII.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 8:16 am to Darth_Vader
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That was the concord which first flew in 1969 and has now been retired for 16 years. What other supersonic commercial airliners are operational today?
None, but that’s an economic issue, not a technology issue. There simply isn’t a market for it.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 8:27 am to Darth_Vader
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And they did it all without the aid of computers.
Not only that, but in the span of 65 years or so we had conquered the speed of sound and flown to the Moon and back - all without a Department of Education.
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