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re: Someone today told me that the US had the best healthcare system in the world
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:37 pm to athenslife101
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:37 pm to athenslife101
DeAtH pAnElS!
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:38 pm to Klark Kent
We could be spending an awful lot less to be getting shrinking life expectancy. What's your takeaway?
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:39 pm to Scruffy
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Somewhere around 1980 our population’s health went to shite.
our health went to shite when women stopped being full time mothers and entered the work force. latch key kids were raised on fast food.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:40 pm to Scruffy
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Great healthcare that looks even better with a pretty healthy and health conscious population.
And a generally homogenous population.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:41 pm to TigerDoc
quote:Our population’s personal health started declining significantly sometime around 1980 and technological advancement and a sedentary lifestyle worsened the situation.
What's your takeaway?
The fact it is stable is flat out amazing.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:43 pm to Rebel
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do you understand that comparing a health care system that cares for 340 million people is going to be different than a country like Sweden that has 10 million mostly like minded people?
This is def another thing, they always point to heavy white lower population European countries that generally believe the same things.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:43 pm to athenslife101
We have the highest quality care in the world for people who can afford it… but we have some of the worst health care in the developed world for people middle income and below.
There’s no reason that a vial of insulin should cost 6 times more in the United States than it does Europe. Yet it does, and that is primarily a result of poorly set institutional incentives.
The US does so many things incredibly well… but preventing our biggest companies from exploiting our political process to create favorable conditions is not one of them. Two thirds of global healthcare profits come from the United States… and that’s not all attributable solely to our wildly unhealthy population.
There’s no reason that a vial of insulin should cost 6 times more in the United States than it does Europe. Yet it does, and that is primarily a result of poorly set institutional incentives.
The US does so many things incredibly well… but preventing our biggest companies from exploiting our political process to create favorable conditions is not one of them. Two thirds of global healthcare profits come from the United States… and that’s not all attributable solely to our wildly unhealthy population.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:45 pm to TigerDoc
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We could be spending an awful lot less to be getting shrinking life expectancy. What's your takeaway?
Idk did any other country have 100k overdoses in one year?
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The United States has more than double the rate of premature overdose deaths of at least 12 other countries, according to a new study.
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US has highest rate of drug overdoses, study says
The answer is no.
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:48 pm to funnystuff
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The US does so many things incredibly well… but preventing our biggest companies from exploiting our political process to create favorable conditions is not one of them. Two thirds of global healthcare profits come from the United States… and that’s not all attributable solely to our wildly unhealthy population.
This goes back to what I was saying… we are the wealthiest so we should pay.
But in all seriousness I hear a fricking Pfizer ad every time I get in my car. No one peddles medicine like the US.
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:50 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:That's why nearly every European I have worked with has flown a parent to the US for medical services they would have had to wait 12-18 months for back home. DOn;t know about Japan.
Japan and every country in Western Europe. Not really close.
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And Canada for cost of services and medication.
Are you taking extra taxes into account?
But part of what people are talking about underscores why these argument spin out of control. How do you measure the worth of a healthcare system? Available services, access to services, cost of services, speed of services (how long you have to wait), effectiveness of services, etc.
I heard someone once say that we don't have a healthcare system issue in this country we have a healthcare delivery issue.
And dealing with insurance companies makes me understand why some people finally throw their hands up and want a single payer system which eventually (probably quickly) becomes socialized medicine.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 3:55 pm to GeauxOCDP
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The care is the best, sure. Too bad that major surgery you needed will cost so much you have to file bankruptcy. It's both true and false. Pricing in Healthcare in this country is a joke.
Very rarely are Americans ever sued for medical debt. It's frowned upon. Medical debt doesn't even show on any of the 3 major credit bureaus anymore.
People who file bankruptcy might also have some medical debt, but they are filing because they are being sued by a landlord, discover/American express or some car finance company. Listing medical debt just sounds better than I live above my means.
Medical bankruptcy is another half truth, fake stat.
Hospital rarely sue for medical debt.
The rate is between 1.12 & 1.53 per 1000 residents in a study from 2001- 2018.
The infant mortality rate is 3 higher per 1000 meaning a baby is more likely to die than an American is to be sued for medical debt.
The rate went down peaked at 1.53 per 1000 in 2009 pre-Obamacare and has been trending down since the government mandates maximum out of pockets now.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 4:24 pm to atxfan
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I'm going to guess that this person has never dealt with a major illness or hospitalization.
I’m going to guess that you’ve never dealt with health care in other countries. The US has way better health care than almost all European countries. Studies consistently show that the US has better health outcomes. However, we are a bunch of fattys and drug abusers, so that hurts.
The weakness of our system is in the preventative type care for indigent people. They just don’t get any.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 5:16 pm to Lakeboy7
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Japan and every country in Western Europe. Not really close.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 5:18 pm to TigerDoc
Seems like we are paying for R&D for the entire world.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 5:20 pm to athenslife101
It's a wonder that some of the wealthiest companies in the world are American health insurance companies.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:19 pm to athenslife101
The biggest problem with healthcare today is government involvement, seconded by insurance for every little thing.
Just look at LASIK. No government programs pay for it, NONE. No insurance pays for it, I can't be 1000% sure it is none but it is not a lot if they do. You can get up front, fair pricing and there is virtually no wait to get it done.
If we had a fair open medical market less money would be spent on administration and trying to collect from insurance companies and more money would go into the true essential medical workers like your nurses, lab techs, CNA's, movers, etc. Imagine lower medical costs, better treatment and the people taking care of you are paid well. We can have it if we choose to get government out of our lives.
Just look at LASIK. No government programs pay for it, NONE. No insurance pays for it, I can't be 1000% sure it is none but it is not a lot if they do. You can get up front, fair pricing and there is virtually no wait to get it done.
If we had a fair open medical market less money would be spent on administration and trying to collect from insurance companies and more money would go into the true essential medical workers like your nurses, lab techs, CNA's, movers, etc. Imagine lower medical costs, better treatment and the people taking care of you are paid well. We can have it if we choose to get government out of our lives.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:23 pm to Rebel
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who has better health care?
Netherlands.
more MDs per capita.
insurance costs half of here.
they live 2 years longer than the USA.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:27 pm to Shexter
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Sweden
Their effective tax rate is probably double what you pay.
People think healthcare is free in other countries. It’s not, you just pay for it in taxes instead of having any sort of control or choice about your healthcare.
The average wait time for an elective surgery is 6 months in Canada. Americans flip their shite if they can’t get an MRI or test immediately when they need it
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:27 pm to CelticDog
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Netherlands.
more MDs per capita.
insurance costs half of here.
they live 2 years longer than the USA.
Must be nice not having to pay for defense. Another thing they can thank the United States for.
Hey pussy, ban bet?
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