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re: Soft Saving Trend for Millennials and Gen Z?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:27 am to TheMT83
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:27 am to TheMT83
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Worked all their lives and now they are in their 70s and just kind of hang out.
I have a few family members that worked offshore for 30-40 years and don't have a pot to piss in.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:27 am to el Gaucho
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More or less. The “millenials” that were born in the 80s have more in common with the boomers than they do with true millenials born in the 90s
You do know there is an entire generation between “the boomers” and “Millennials” don’t you?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:28 am to lsucoonass
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I see so many millennials in my profession take vacation all the time. I don’t understand at all.
Yet when I try to take time off it’s an act of Congress to get it approved
What about Millennials at your actual place of employment?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:29 am to TheMT83
I'd work the rest of my life if I could do it from home with plenty of free time, and there are jobs out there where that's possible.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:29 am to Jcorye1
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Come after my IRA and 401Ks, I will consider that an act of war and operate accordingly.
What does this look like

Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:29 am to TheMT83
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I'm just about to turn 40

Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:31 am to TheMT83
This is going to be you.
For real, though, I understand the approach. I feel like my parents got about five good years of travel and retirement before they hit the skids. They should have retired about five years earlier. I would aim for 60 if you can, 65 at the latest. You're lucky if you're mobile after 70 IMO.

For real, though, I understand the approach. I feel like my parents got about five good years of travel and retirement before they hit the skids. They should have retired about five years earlier. I would aim for 60 if you can, 65 at the latest. You're lucky if you're mobile after 70 IMO.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:32 am to Wally Sparks
They take a lot more time off than I do for “travel”, too frequently
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:39 am to WinnPtiger
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don’t expect social security to exist 30 years from now.
They've been saying that for 40 years.

Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's more related to the combination of the 2008 crash and then Covid,
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Those who were hit hard by both are, on average, going to be so negatively affected, a good retirement savings wasn't likely anyway.
What a load of bullshite. You are talking about people that are 20+ years from retirement age, and likely just starting their careers in 2008.
It’s more of a biproduct of our work environment, the ability to work comfortably and remotely. If you are a lawyer, accountant, engineer, etc, working into your 70s for 35-40 hours a week (1800 hours per year) is just much more appealing than 40+ hours 2000+ per year ) before you get to take a break at 65.
The spending habits are another story, and actually could be linked to 2008 and Covid
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's a shift in philosophy to value experiences over material things.
This.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:53 am to TheMT83
Spend on experiences and not things and you will look back on your life with pride. Buy the things you need, save a reasonable amount for the future, but never ever shortchange yourself on life experiences.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:56 am to CleverUserName
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You do know there is an entire generation between “the boomers” and “Millennials” don’t you?
You mean the flannel boomers?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:14 am to lsucoonass
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Yet when I try to take time off it’s an act of Congress to get it approved
Sounds like you should look for a better organization.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:26 am to lsucoonass
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They take a lot more time off than I do for “travel”, too frequently
Then that's on their bosses for approving it.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:30 am to Wally Sparks
If they have the time, who cares?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:37 am to Brosef Stalin
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Why are so many kids and women, especially women, obsessed with traveling today? Is it just to get likes on Instagram? Save your money and spend it on something useful.
So many people like you describe are not happy or satisfied with anything that they already have or the life they currently live. They don't like where they live, how they live or what they currently have - there is always something better that means more to them.
I read one time that true happiness starts with wanting what you already have. So many people cannot appreciate anything baout where they are in life.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:52 am to OceanMan
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You are talking about people that are 20+ years from retirement age, and likely just starting their careers in 2008.
Go look up the data on how one major economic crash affects your economic future. A certain generation has been hit by 2 ...within about 10 years.
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and likely just starting their careers in 2008.
And that was devastating for their future earning potential. There is a ton of data out there.
Yes, individuals can exceed the average, like with any large dataset, but, over the entire dataset, they're fricked.
One report by Brookings
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Workers displaced during recessions tend to experience large lifetime earnings losses–a decline in earnings of roughly 19 percent or $112,100 over the next twenty-five years (Davis and von Wachter 2011). This is approximately double the lifetime earnings losses of workers displaced in non-recession years. To provide a sense of the magnitude of the current challenge, almost 7 million American workers have been displaced from long-term jobs during the last three years. If the prior research accurately predicts the future, these workers will experience a total loss of earnings of roughly $774 billion over the next quarter century.
Earning losses from graduating during a recession don't return for 10 years
Graduating during a recession
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By the time they reached their late 30s though, mortality rates started to edge higher. By age 50, one extra death per 10,000 was registered for every percentage-point increase in unemployment at graduation, affecting males and females similarly. During a moderate recession, the unemployment rate typically rises about three percentage points. Thus, graduating in a recession is associated with about a 6 percent increase in a cohort’s age-specific mortality rate.
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Workers beginning their careers in a depressed labor market might not only start with a lower-paying job but be permanently stuck on a downward-shifted economic trajectory. The temporary recovery 10 to 15 years into the work history is difficult to explain in such a scenario but might be linked to differences in income profiles over age, with profiles of lower-quality jobs flattening out more quickly. In midlife, the economic disadvantage accumulated over two decades and accompanied by a less-healthy lifestyle drags health down sufficiently to result in mortality increases. Less-stable relationships are formed along the way, resulting in lower marriage rates and fewer children.
etc etc
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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Go look up the data on how one major economic crash affects your economic future. A certain generation has been hit by 2 ...within about 10 years.
Yep. The millenials born in the 90s have been through every economic crash and the boomlineals born in the 80s lived life pretty much entirely in a golden age. The 80s kids in Congress even passed laws to where the 90s kids couldn’t go to bars during Covid
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 9:57 am
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:57 am to Lsupimp
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Spend on experiences and not things and you will look back on your life with pride. Buy the things you need, save a reasonable amount for the future, but never ever shortchange yourself on life experiences.
I would add to this buy quality things that you know bring you long lasting enjoyment. Cheap things for the sake materialism and keeping up with the Joneses tend to disappoint in the long run.
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