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re: So what's the deal with Athens, Ohio? Why is it so poor?
Posted on 12/17/19 at 11:38 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 12/17/19 at 11:38 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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There are a lot of areas in the Midwest with no industry outside of gov services. Basically everyone works for the county, state, city/town, is self employed, or poor as frick.
Correct.
And as already mentioned, you could say the same for the majority of Southern states.
Which begs to question: Why are you so adamant against Democratic policies that could help these people? Its painfully obvious these areas aren't attracting businesses (at a large enough margin) anytime soon.
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 11:48 am to volod
What proposed democratic policies would help average joes in Gaylord, Michigan or Athens, Ohio
Posted on 12/17/19 at 11:48 am to Picayuner
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THE fact is that our politicians allowed over 70,000 manufacturing factories to move to China in the last 30 years. It’s devastating to our country. They all should languish in prison for life for selling us out. This is the only reason and should be fixed immediately. Zero American companies should be in China. Zero !!!!
How would you stop that from happening?
Posted on 12/17/19 at 11:50 am to LSUFanHouston
We have poorer areas in Louisiana
For comparison:
Poorest Counties/Parishes in the USA per USA Today
Athens County per Wikipedia:
For comparison:
Poorest Counties/Parishes in the USA per USA Today
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#18. Louisiana: Claiborne Parish
• County median household income: $26,877
• State median household income: $46,710
• Poverty rate: 29.9 percent
• Unemployment rate: 4.9 percent
The typical household in Louisiana's Claiborne Parish earns just $26,877 a year, about $20,000 less than what the typical household in the state earns. Less than 1 percent of area households earn $200,000 or more a year, and 17.3 percent earn less than $10,000 a year.
Located in northern Louisiana along the Arkansas state border, Claiborne – like other counties on this list – is shrinking rapidly. In the last five years, the number of people living in Claiborne fell by 4.5 percent, even as Louisiana's population grew by 3.0 percent.
Athens County per Wikipedia:
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As of the 2010 United States Census, there were 64,757 people, 23,578 households, and 12,453 families residing in the county.
The median income for a household in the county was $31,559 and the median income for a family was $48,170. Males had a median income of $38,135 versus $31,263 for females. The per capita income for the county was $16,642. About 16.6% of families and 30.3% of the population were below the poverty line, including 29.6% of those under age 18 and 9.2% of those age 65 or over.[15]
Posted on 12/17/19 at 11:50 am to volod
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Why are you so adamant against Democratic policies that could help these people? Its painfully obvious these areas aren't attracting businesses (at a large enough margin) anytime soon.
Such as? I imagine many of them are already on welfare.
Fact is, the Dems could get a LOT of support in this area if they invested in the people through providing free education and training, and relocation assistance, instead of just giving them housing and food stamps.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 11:52 am to WildcatMike
That’s all true and yet it still seems so depressing and run down. The weather is awful.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 11:54 am to The Pirate King
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That area had a large union presence through the 60's and 70's. It started slipping when unions started losing their power and influence.
Black Monday, Sept. 19, 1977.
Campbell Works shut the doors. 5000 jobs gone.
Been circling the drain ever since.
The city has been trying to transform itself into a college town around YSU.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:06 pm to Saskwatch
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Is Ohio considered rust belt?
Ohio is the dead center of the rust belt.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:08 pm to stout
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We have poorer areas in Louisiana
Louisiana definitely has some areas that rival Appalachia in terms of poverty. That area up and down the river opposite of the Mississippi Delta is very poor. Ferriday has a median household income of under 15k
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
That part of Ohio is west West Virginia. Industrial base collapsed. It’s the poster child of what Trump talks about when he says we’ve lost our American jobs. Athens is actually a little better off because of Ohio University.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:16 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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What proposed democratic policies would help average joes in Gaylord, Michigan or Athens, Ohio
LSUHouston named a few. Mostly free education based programs. I think a workfare system would do wonders for a place like that.
The issue with modern Democrats is that they are so stuck in racial identity politics that they miss out on numerous communities that could replace their losses in the rust belt. I believe in the theory that many rust belters are only GOP because the Left has leaned to far into globalization.
These are good people who happened to just be on the wrong end of the economic bell curve. I wish Republicans would understand that sometimes welfare based programs are a good thing so long as they they are
1)time limited
2)serve a specific need leading to independence.
This post was edited on 12/17/19 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:17 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Why is it so poor?
If you travel outside of South Louisiana and east texas, you very quickly realize a large portion of the country struggles.
Contrary to the widely espoused belief on here, South Louisiana does quite well compared to 95% of the country.
Eta: My vacations are all driving road trips avoiding interstates. It is shocking how bad some areas are. And how some demographic oddities occur because of drug use/familial support.
This post was edited on 12/17/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
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How would you stop that from happening?
Heavily taxing imports.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:20 pm to Saskwatch
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Is Ohio considered rust belt? Factory closures?
That part of Ohio is different from the rest of the state. It’s coal country and similar to West Virginia. Southeast Ohio suffers problems that plague WV.
It’s much more Appalachia than Midwest or Rust Belt.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:21 pm to X123F45
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Contrary to the widely espoused belief on here, South Louisiana does quite well compared to 95% of the country.
I don't know if I'd go that far
I'd imagine household incomes in parts of North Baton Rouge and the lower 9th Ward look similar to Appalachia.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:28 pm to fallguy_1978
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I'd imagine household incomes in parts of North Baton Rouge and the lower 9th Ward look similar to Appalachia.
Sure, but with ample support systems in place.
What a lot of us would consider a rundown camp suitable for only men equates to a better than average home in rural Colorado to the east coast outside of large cities.
Another thing to consider when looking at our reported income in south louisiana is how much side hustling occurs. A LOT of cash changes hands in louisiana with no reporting. A lot of business owners report zero income. We have a higher than average self employment rate.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:28 pm to X123F45
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Contrary to the widely espoused belief on here, South Louisiana does quite well compared to 95% of the country.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:33 pm to X123F45
Louisiana is ranked somewhere around 43-44 in household income. We are a poor state but it's certainly regionally specific just like it is in places like Kentucky.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:38 pm to X123F45
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Contrary to the widely espoused belief on here, South Louisiana does quite well compared to 95% of the country.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 12:44 pm to ScottFowler
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Ohio has many different regions. Athens is definitely Appalachia just on this side of the river.
And while NAFTA/Globalization has hurt a lot of Ohio, the Rust Belt is really the stretch between Cleveland / Pittsburgh.
That is Youngstown / Warren area. But a least the cost of living is low. I'm not too sure it could get much lower.
This is the only post that really tells any of the story.
NE Ohio is rust belt through and through. Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown.
SE Ohio is Appalachia and a completely different world than the rust belt.
NW Ohio is pretty farm heavy and unfortunately has to claim Toledo which is basically Michigan South.
SW Ohio is Cincy which has a bad rep but has a ton of big business around there - Dayton is gross but northward around Troy is nice.
Central OH is a completely different place and has an economy based on logistics, health care and banking/insurance.
This post was edited on 12/17/19 at 12:46 pm
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