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re: So now that we have a bonafide cure for this Corona virus can we open everything back up?

Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:30 pm to
Posted by Buttoncollector
S'boro
Member since Jun 2011
576 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:30 pm to
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So for a non-medical expert like myself, can someone explain for me why we aren’t using this already and getting back to normal?


My guess/hope: FDA announces tomorrow that this is now “on label” for treatment of Coronavirus......health care workers start getting it prophalactically as well as everyone over say 70 and of course those already infected
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26272 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:32 pm to
I had never heard of the drug prior to this thread, but a quick google search has me seeing that it’s having success worldwide, in 10 minutes I’ve read success stories from Australia, Oklahoma, South Korea, France, and China.

I say roll it out wide-scale and let’s get back to normal.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 10:33 pm
Posted by uscpuke
Member since Jan 2004
5012 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:36 pm to
LINK

UW starting on all patients requiring admit.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115789 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:42 pm to
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No


Yes.

It’s being used around the world now. The study reported today wasn’t the only one and wasn’t the only country to try this.

It works.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:46 pm to
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
15305 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:55 pm to
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Seems to me like if we’ve had this drug for 80 years we should know the side affects pretty well by now


No arguments from me, man. I hope like hell it works ans gets put into circulation quickly. This whole shutdown thing sucks arse and Im ready for it to be over.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:01 pm to
“We have a cure!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

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Doc


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No


Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101390 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:04 pm to
Where’d he get the other part of his name from, though?
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:07 pm to
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Where’d he get the other part of his name from, though?


True

Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6812 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:07 pm to
Your link takes one to an open, ongoing study. Then study does not claim to have a cure. The article linked inside th original link makes the following statement about the treatment:
"Chloroquine can both prevent and treat coronavirus in primate cells (Figure 1 and Figure 2). According to South Korean and China human treatment guidelines, chloroquine is effective in treating COVID-19."
Can both prevent and treat in primate cells=/=cure
Chloroquien is effective in treating=/=cure. This statement came from uncited "reports" from China and S. Korea. Does anyone trustt ANYTHING China has to say about Covid-19 at this time.

I hope that hydroxychloroquine ends up being a miracle for Covid-19 infections, but what you've linked does not say that. If this info is accurate and true, it needs to get disseminated by the scientific and medical community in a trustworthy way. The info you linked is not that at this point in time. A number of MD's will not use an unproven medicine in these circumstances. If a patient deteriorates or dies w/ hydroxychloroquine being used, under these circumstances it'd be a hard case to defend from a liability standpoint. If the drug is used, it's the fault of the medicine and the Dr. who ordered it. If the drug's not used, it's the natural course of a severe illness.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
22061 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:11 pm to
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number of MD's will not use an unproven medicine in these circumstances


This drug has been around for over 80 years and its side effects are well known. And if it's showing huge promise so far, which is true, they will be handing it out like tic tacs. We're not operating in societal norms right now. They're about to large scale rollout this stuff.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26272 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:17 pm to
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A number of MD's will not use an unproven medicine in these circumstances. If a patient deteriorates or dies w/ hydroxychloroquine being used, under these circumstances it'd be a hard case to defend from a liability standpoint. If the drug is used, it's the fault of the medicine and the Dr. who ordered it. If the drug's not used, it's the natural course of a severe illness.


I’m no doctor, but this sounds like red tape.

If something works and saves lives in a crisis, and a doctor chooses not to use it, common sense tells me that’s ridiculous and questionable.

This isn’t some new experimental drug. It’s been around for 80 years. If it works, use it, what’s the holdup?
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 11:24 pm
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:19 pm to
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did Tiguar say the age of said patient? just curious

Doesnt matter. Two countries have used it (France being one) and within six days using this med in combination with erythromycin, and COVID was no longer detected in 100% of the patients
Posted by Walker Jed
Member since Mar 2020
16 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:20 pm to
Op knows better though. He’s smart.
Posted by Big_Slim
Mogadishu
Member since Apr 2016
3977 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:23 pm to
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A number of MD's will not use an unproven medicine in these circumstances. If a patient deteriorates or dies w/ hydroxychloroquine being used, under these circumstances it'd be a hard case to defend from a liability standpoint.


As poster above said, hydroxychloroquine has been used for a helluva long time and side effects are well understood. Believe the greatest results have been achieved so far with a combination of that and Azithromycin, which is borderline over the counter. I’m lazy so I’m not gonna link every damn article, but along with the peer reviewed study headed by the Stanford hombre where 40 for 40 patients were cured, results from several places are suggesting success using the drug as well.

Its okay to be a little bit optimistic fellas.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6812 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:24 pm to
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We're not operating in societal norms right now.

I agree, but that wouldn't stop the medical malpractice/personal injury lawyers from filing suit, especially if all the positive talk on the internet about hydroxychloroquine doesn't pan out. "Did you or your loved suffer an injury or die from taking the drug hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 despite it not being approved for this by the FDA nor recommended by the CDC? Call1-800-COVID19 for a free consultation."

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They're about to large scale rollout this stuff.

I really hope you're right. It'd been a legitimate medical/scientific miracle if that were too happen only a few months into the pandemic. If it's that great, we'll find out shortly.
Posted by RazorBroncs
Harding Bisons Fan
Member since Sep 2013
13540 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:25 pm to
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My guess/hope: FDA announces tomorrow that this is now “on label” for treatment of Coronavirus......health care workers start getting it prophalactically as well as everyone over say 70 and of course those already infected


It's promising as hell, but those calling it a "cure" and saying stuff like the above aren't understanding this.

It doesn't cure the coronavirus or do anything preventative as far as catching it in humans so far, it simply cuts the recovery time down by about half as well as the time period it can be transmitted from a sick individual (in laymans terms).

So while it's promising as far as cutting down recovery time and turning over ICU beds quicker, it doesn't do much for the general public as far as slowing the spread (other than treating already infected individuals quicker, thus cutting their time spent possibly transmitting the disease down some).

It's by no means an excuse to drop all the measures in place and go back to "the way we were before," but it's good news that'll most likely help slow down the transmission rate and keep our hospitals in better shape in a lot of ways.

I also think the economy will start to bounce back when/if this is confirmed and announced. People need the reassurance right now.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 11:29 pm
Posted by Big_Slim
Mogadishu
Member since Apr 2016
3977 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:26 pm to
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I agree, but that wouldn't stop the medical malpractice/personal injury lawyers from filing suit, especially if all the positive talk on the internet about hydroxychloroquine doesn't pan out.


True unfortunately. fricking lawyers man.
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
20685 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:29 pm to
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It's by no means an excuse to drop all the measures in place and go back to "the way we were before," but it's good news that'll most likely help slow down the transmission rate and keep our hospitals in better shape in a lot of ways.


I thought the whole reason we were doing all this bullshite was to help the hospitals?

If this cuts down on that, why can’t we go back to normal?
Posted by Big_Slim
Mogadishu
Member since Apr 2016
3977 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:29 pm to
Right but if the drug renders the virus non fatal or at least significantly less fatal why should we give a shite about the rate of transmission?
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 11:30 pm
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