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re: So Britain and France declared war on Germany for invading Poland
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:08 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:08 pm to Jim Rockford
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There was very little they could do directly to stop Germany.
I mean...they could have invaded from the west while the vast majority of Germany's armed forces were advancing through Poland, which is what the German high command feared would happen. Hitler gambled that the British and French wouldn't do anything to help the Poles.
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Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:14 pm to Champagne
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A lot of what we are told and taught is just propaganda.
"History is a set of lies that people have agreed upon" - Napoleon
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:33 pm to Tigris
France took a totally defensive approach to the war against Germany, preferring to wait behind the Maginot Line. England had no physical way to "attack" from England. But the lack of a treaty was the real excuse.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:52 pm to Strannix
Again????
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:54 pm to Strannix
Was this babby's first redpill over how fricked up the mainstream view of WW2 is?
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:56 pm to geauxtigers87
No matter what the media sells you, war is not “good vs evil”
It’s govt vs govt. The winner then writes the story after the war is over
It’s govt vs govt. The winner then writes the story after the war is over
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:58 pm to RollTide1987
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it was too late.
Oh, sure. The Western Allies considered the Soviet conquest of Finland as an accomplished fact and it was too late to help Finland.
But, the German conquests of 1939 and 1940 were not considered accomplished facts and were not considered to be "too late", and waged all out war to liberate those places from the Evil Conqueror.
Is that about right?
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:59 pm to Strannix
its been 80 years in the making but im glad weve finally put this issue to rest
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:59 pm to lsupride87
quote:you are right 99% of the time. ww2 is the actual 1% though
No matter what the media sells you, war is not “good vs evil”
It’s govt vs govt. The winner then writes the story after the war is over
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:59 pm to Tigris
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"History is a set of lies that people have agreed upon" - Napoleon
I'm not quite that cynical and yet I appreciate this quote.
I'd like to remind everyone that Poland and Finland weren't the only innocent neutrals that the Soviets invaded and conquered. During the Nazi Soviet Pact in 1940, the Soviets invaded Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Romania, all innocent neutrals, and took over all of those countries, except for Romania, they only stole one part of Romania. And the Western Allies weren't bothered too much by any of that, either.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 12/6/20 at 7:17 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:I don’t agree.
you are right 99% of the time. ww2 is the actual 1% though
Posted on 12/6/20 at 8:28 pm to Strannix
We became allies with Russia only after Germany invaded Russia- Battle of Stalingrad. Hitler broke the non-aggression pact with Stalin.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 8:40 pm to Strannix
There was a lot of push back at the time amongat the Allies about dealing with Russia. General Patton was extremely outspoken about Russia being the bigger problem and enemy to Western Democracy than the Nazis. Its hard to argue which of those two were worse.
The bottom line is we fricked up big time by trying to appease Stalin by basically ceding Eastern Europe to him. Its hard to jusge the motivations in 2020 of the decision makers in 1940. I would guess the biggest reason, from America's perspective, is we already got dragged into yet another European war AND were fighting the Japs. While Russia and Japan had their share of conflicts over territory, whos to say they wouldnt have teamed up once Germany was done. I wouldnt have put anything past that murderous commie bastard Stalin or those crazy Japs.
We wanted to cool things down and move forward peacefully. Its hard to say what would have happened had we pressed the issue. With the advent of the atomic bomb, its possible we could have nuked Moscow and in the process saved a whole lot more Russian and Eastern Europeans a lifetime of toil and heartache. Or we could have trigfered mutually assured destruction.
Either way, frick the Nazis and frick the Commies. Weve got a whole generation of idiots in this country who need to be force fed a long hard look at what the generations before then did. frick these ungrateful motherfrickers who arent deserving of that sacrifice.
The bottom line is we fricked up big time by trying to appease Stalin by basically ceding Eastern Europe to him. Its hard to jusge the motivations in 2020 of the decision makers in 1940. I would guess the biggest reason, from America's perspective, is we already got dragged into yet another European war AND were fighting the Japs. While Russia and Japan had their share of conflicts over territory, whos to say they wouldnt have teamed up once Germany was done. I wouldnt have put anything past that murderous commie bastard Stalin or those crazy Japs.
We wanted to cool things down and move forward peacefully. Its hard to say what would have happened had we pressed the issue. With the advent of the atomic bomb, its possible we could have nuked Moscow and in the process saved a whole lot more Russian and Eastern Europeans a lifetime of toil and heartache. Or we could have trigfered mutually assured destruction.
Either way, frick the Nazis and frick the Commies. Weve got a whole generation of idiots in this country who need to be force fed a long hard look at what the generations before then did. frick these ungrateful motherfrickers who arent deserving of that sacrifice.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 8:42 pm to Strannix
Nm/double post
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 12/6/20 at 8:55 pm to Strannix
War between Russia and Germany was still likely, so there was no need to make the Soviet Union an enemy yet.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 9:08 pm to TigerMond84
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Russia also didn’t exactly formally publicize what they did. And it happened a few weeks later. And declaring war on another massive country would have been a bold move under the circumstances.
And it would have forced the USSR into the Axis camp. Stupid as hell.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 9:16 pm to Strannix
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Britain and France had a treaty with Poland, specifically agreeing to defend it from a German invasion. No such clause about Russia. If you're saying itvwas hypocritical, no argument from me. But it wasn't arbitrary
This, plus everyone had long memories going back to WW1. Germany was still the boogie man of Europe. Everyone was especially wary of them.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 9:27 pm to UKWildcats
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The bottom line is we fricked up big time by trying to appease Stalin by basically ceding Eastern Europe to him. Its hard to jusge the motivations in 2020 of the decision makers in 1940.
The US public wouldn't have stood for continuing the European war vs our recent allies. The Army in Europe would have mutinied and the folks back home would have supported them. There was nearly a mutiny over the initial plan to ship them en masse to the Pacific. Thus the brass came up with a point system allowing men with the longest overseas service to demobilize and go home. Patton was full of fight. His men weren't.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 9:36 pm to Zendog
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend
This is the answer to the OP's question.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 9:38 pm to Zendog
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend
I have 70 years of Mideast policy proving this is woefully untrue.
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