- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Smith Shooter's Lawyer "My Client Was Not The Aggressor"
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:20 pm to Napoleon
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:20 pm to Napoleon
quote:
Haven't read thought the whole thing, but how can anyone defend Hayes?
Tons of facts havent been released, for starters. I'm not sure people are defending Hayes as much as they are simply waiting for more information to be made available before rushing to judgement.
quote:
He obviously smashed the Mercedes intentionally
That is being disputed.
quote:
then Will, who was shot in the back.
7 times, and in the side once.
quote:
From the info out there it sounds like Hayes is 100% the aggressor, just do not get why he stayed at the scene.
His lawyer and other witnesses have said that Smith was the aggressor.
Again, still not near enough information has been made available to the public.
0
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:21 pm to tigerskin
quote:
The defense attorney was acting like he is going to prove a lot of what u said is false.
Maybe, but if it was a good shoot and Smith DID have a gun, why does Hayes have a Million dollar bond?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:21 pm to Napoleon
They were moving pretty good in the video after the hit and run
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:22 pm to Napoleon
quote:
If a guy puts a gun in your face and robs you you cannot shoot him as he flees. You can never justify shooting someone in the back, even if a gun were present.
Is that law in LA?
I'm asking because I don't know. Not trying to pull any "gotcha" crap.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:23 pm to Napoleon
quote:
The wreck happened right by the high-volt coffee, he accelerated quickly and intentionally hit the Mercedes.
Unless Smith was hauling arse and stopped abruptly, and Hayes didnt react in time.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:23 pm to tigerskin
quote:
Crazy how the whole "ramming" thing has just been picked up as 100 percent a fact. Pretty conceivable to me there was some fast reckless driving going on that ended up in a pileup.
again it was less than a full city block from the video of the hit and run to the final wreck. I know that area super well my cousin lives right by the coffee shop right there. There is not much room to get up to speed on Sophie right, once Magazine goes one way.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:23 pm to Napoleon
U must be just tuning in. Hayes' attorney is claiming the gun was moved. But he did kill somebody. That isn't in doubt. He wouldn't just be let go.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:24 pm to Napoleon
Tweet by local attorney CJ Murdock
quote:
I have an idea of what is on this video and it will exonerate Cardell Hayes He's walking out of jail within the next year
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:24 pm to Napoleon
quote:
Maybe, but if it was a good shoot and Smith DID have a gun, why does Hayes have a Million dollar bond?
I'd think that is a standard bond amount for the charge.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:24 pm to Napoleon
quote:
again it was less than a full city block from the video of the hit and run to the final wreck. I know that area super well my cousin lives right by the coffee shop right there. There is not much room to get up to speed on Sophie right, once Magazine goes one way.
Then you havent seen video footage that was made available a block from the scene. They were haul assing.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:25 pm to Rebel
quote:
If a guy puts a gun in your face and robs you you cannot shoot him as he flees. You can never justify shooting someone in the back, even if a gun were present.
wrong
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:25 pm to Rebel
quote:
Is that law in LA?
I'm asking because I don't know. Not trying to pull any "gotcha" crap.
It was the exact question I asked in CCL class and was told, "No" you cannot shoot someone if they are fleeing or are no longer a threat. Because honestly, I had intended to coward fire, if I was ever robbed, not knowing it was illegal. In other words "here take my stuff, don't shoot" and then unload on them as they move away from me, rather than have to draw on someone already drawn on me.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:26 pm to Rebel
quote:
Is that law in LA?
I'm asking because I don't know. Not trying to pull any "gotcha" crap.
no it isnt.
You can read justifiable homicide here
LINK
obviously it will be up to the jury to decide if hayes life was in imminent danger... and of course that will be decided by the evidence and the witness testimony.
quote:
1) When committed in self-defense by one who reasonably believes that he is in imminent danger of losing his life or receiving great bodily harm and that the killing is necessary to save himself from that danger.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:28 pm to reddman
quote:
They were haul assing.
On a video 20mph can look fast. No way they were doing more than 40 between that point and the next light, I know it's a supercharged SUV, but still just not enough track.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:28 pm to Napoleon
if someone is commiting a felony and your are a licensed cc holder. you can walk right up behind them and unload in their back. If you were in a store and someone was robbing it at gunpoint, you can pop them in the back of the head and walk. 100%
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:29 pm to diat150
quote:
1) When committed in self-defense by one who reasonably believes that he is in imminent danger of losing his life or receiving great bodily harm and that the killing is necessary to save himself from that danger.
and shooting someone who is fleeing or moving away from you is no longer "imminent danger" Again rather judged by twelve than carried by six.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:29 pm to Napoleon
quote:
It was the exact question I asked in CCL class and was told, "No" you cannot shoot someone if they are fleeing or are no longer a threat. Because honestly, I had intended to coward fire, if I was ever robbed, not knowing it was illegal. In other words "here take my stuff, don't shoot" and then unload on them as they move away from me, rather than have to draw on someone already drawn on me.
that is a very different situation and would not be justified. at question here is if smith brandished the weapon and or made a threat to retrieve the weapon from his vehicle while in a heated argument 5-10 feet away from hayes.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:29 pm to Napoleon
quote:
On a video 20mph can look fast. No way they were doing more than 40 between that point and the next light, I know it's a supercharged SUV, but still just not enough track.
Well Hayes was also RIGHT behind him in chase. Again, if Smith had to stop abruptly, its possible that Hayes didnt react in time.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:30 pm to diat150
Seven shots in the back? Shooter is going down, no doubt.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:30 pm to reddman
NOPD log says that there is no record of Hayes calling 911 after hit and run.
Page 89 of 108
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News