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re: Smith Shooter's Lawyer "My Client Was Not The Aggressor"
Posted on 4/11/16 at 6:56 pm to Gris Gris
Posted on 4/11/16 at 6:56 pm to Gris Gris
Sean Payton also confirmed it was a .45 caliber handgun. I need more information but as more and more pours out I'm starting to think the 2nd degree murder charge might be inappropriate and that a manslaughter charge is closer to reality.
Also a witness to the incident confirms on video that Smith said he had a gun. Sad situation all the way around.
LINK
Also a witness to the incident confirms on video that Smith said he had a gun. Sad situation all the way around.
LINK
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 6:59 pm
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Posted on 4/11/16 at 6:58 pm to ihometiger
How do you get manslaughter from this???
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:00 pm to ihometiger
Saying you have a gun does not mean you are subject to being shot in the back for no reason other than having a gun.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:01 pm to boosiebadazz
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Wonder when the defense attorney will ask to move the trial out of New Orleans?
Regardless, Id be more worried about what one of these crazed Sainttards might pull if this Hayes guy is exonerated
There are some stupid, uneducated people foaming at the mouth on this one. You don't have to look much further than this thread
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:01 pm to boosiebadazz
I'm not sure a change of venue would benefit the accused.
Jury pool might be about as good as it can get where they are.
Jury pool might be about as good as it can get where they are.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:01 pm to 4LSU2
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How do you get manslaughter from this???
Based on the witness testimony in the video above where he says"
"I guess this guy was like, 'Get out of here or I have a gun,'" the witness says to the camera. "And he goes, 'F--- y'all, I've got one too.' And he grabs the gun and then he shoots him the back – dead."
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:02 pm to Lester Earl
What's your connection to the shooter? You've been defending him since the news broke.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:03 pm to Shunface
It seems to me Lester has been the most rational one actually if you followed since the beginning
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:05 pm to ihometiger
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guess this guy was like, 'Get out of here or I have a gun,'" the witness says to the camera. "And he goes, 'F--- y'all, I've got one too.' And he grabs the gun and then he shoots him the back – dead."
I could possibly see manslughter with one shot. I can't see it with multiple shots, multiple victims, and multiple witnesses.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:19 pm to lsupride87
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Is Drew talking straight out his arse?
I'm not gonna lie, but I thought He kinda was as I listened. I was shocked he was saying it. He said he is going off of what he heard from others and Pierre Thomas.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:25 pm to Mouth
I know he's the patron saint of New Orleans, but he needs to STFU on this right now IMO. Leave the saintard jury tainting to chadboi
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:25 pm to 4LSU2
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I could possibly see manslughter with one shot. I can't see it with multiple shots, multiple victims, and multiple witnesses.
6-8 shots fired could timing-wise take between 2 to 3 seconds based on this report by a Police Officer publication. Also the wife was an innocent bystander hit by stray bullets. Still a lot more that needs to be vetted out but right now I'm leaning on manslaughter.
"A strong majority of the shooters fired all 3 rounds within 1.5 seconds. That included reaction time in responding to the timer signal. Some were able to react and shoot all 3 shots within 1 second. A “very large majority” fired all 3 with about a quarter-second between shots. Some were longer, up to .35-.40.
An actual assailant who is deciding when to shoot without reacting to an auditory signal and who is likely bringing his gun out and up with his finger already on the trigger could be expected to get a first round off even faster than the volunteers, Avery said."
LINK
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:29 pm to lsupride87
quote:lester has been itching to defend the thug even when witnesses has stated Hayes actions were otherwise. I'm the rationale one who put known pieces together then started speaking out. frick Hayes and his fake ghetto arse H2 he rode up in on
It seems to me Lester has been the most rational one actually if you followed since the
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:31 pm to Chad504boy
Doesn't Lester Earle live in that neighborhood?
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:33 pm to ihometiger
The entire story is very strange.
So, Hayes was hit and run rear ended earlier (not sure where or when) and thought Will Smith's/his vehicle was the culprit. He follows him to get the license plate number and calls 911 to report the accident. He then rear ends Smith at the scene of the murder causing Smith's car to hit an Impala which happened to have Hayes' friends as occupants. Where were those folks during all of this? Where was the Impala at the time it was hit? Parked? In front of Smith?
One article indicated there was more than one vehicle in Smith's "party". Who was in front of or following Smith?
Hayes is shirtless and allegedly freaking out on Smith or was Smith freaking out on Hayes? I'm not clear on where they were at the time. Was Hayes at Smith's car? Did Smith get out of his car and then get back in or attempt to get back in?
Smith may or may not have told Hayes he had a gun. Hayes, then, allegedly says he has a gun, too, and starts firing multiple shots. Don't know how many or exactly where each shot was, but Smith was killed (shot in the back and half way in and out of the car??) and Smith's wife was shot in the legs (multiple times??).
Then, what happened? What did Hayes do after shooting? Were the police arriving right then? Did anyone attempt to subdue him at all? Where were his friends in the Impala? Where was Hayes' unidentified passenger? Any witness statements about what happened immediately thereafter? Did Hayes just stand around waiting on police?
Could Smith not leave because he was blocked by the Impala? Hayes' car should have been behind him since he was rear ended by Hayes.
Did Smith have a gun?
This is a confusing set of facts, but maybe y'all have the answers to some of the questions.
ETA: I think the folks in the Impala were Smith's friends rather than Hayes' friends.
So, Hayes was hit and run rear ended earlier (not sure where or when) and thought Will Smith's/his vehicle was the culprit. He follows him to get the license plate number and calls 911 to report the accident. He then rear ends Smith at the scene of the murder causing Smith's car to hit an Impala which happened to have Hayes' friends as occupants. Where were those folks during all of this? Where was the Impala at the time it was hit? Parked? In front of Smith?
One article indicated there was more than one vehicle in Smith's "party". Who was in front of or following Smith?
Hayes is shirtless and allegedly freaking out on Smith or was Smith freaking out on Hayes? I'm not clear on where they were at the time. Was Hayes at Smith's car? Did Smith get out of his car and then get back in or attempt to get back in?
Smith may or may not have told Hayes he had a gun. Hayes, then, allegedly says he has a gun, too, and starts firing multiple shots. Don't know how many or exactly where each shot was, but Smith was killed (shot in the back and half way in and out of the car??) and Smith's wife was shot in the legs (multiple times??).
Then, what happened? What did Hayes do after shooting? Were the police arriving right then? Did anyone attempt to subdue him at all? Where were his friends in the Impala? Where was Hayes' unidentified passenger? Any witness statements about what happened immediately thereafter? Did Hayes just stand around waiting on police?
Could Smith not leave because he was blocked by the Impala? Hayes' car should have been behind him since he was rear ended by Hayes.
Did Smith have a gun?
This is a confusing set of facts, but maybe y'all have the answers to some of the questions.
ETA: I think the folks in the Impala were Smith's friends rather than Hayes' friends.
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:34 pm to Gris Gris
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This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:35 pm to Mouth
How u know that? Sounds reasonable enough though
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:36 pm to ihometiger
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Also the wife was an innocent bystander hit by stray bullets.
Do you know that for sure or is that an assumption?
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:36 pm to BRgetthenet
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When Smith's widow testifies, what do you think she's gonna say? Or Pierre.
Pierre Thomas wasnt there.
and there are other witnesses besides the wife.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:37 pm to ihometiger
lester is about the only one in here not showing bias. I understand this is a saints heavy board. But just because he was a former saint doesnt mean he was totally innocent here. Now he may be, i dont know all the facts. But neither does anyone else in here.
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