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re: Smith Shooter's Lawyer "My Client Was Not The Aggressor"

Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:49 pm to
Posted by arseinclarse
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:49 pm to
This is for the prelim hearing on 4/28
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:50 pm to
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wdsu ?@wdsu 1m1 minute ago Sources: Attorney attempting to subpoena Pierre Thomas, former NOPD captain in Will Smith fatal shooting


I don't think it will be *that* big of a bombshell. He's just going to question them on alcohol consumption. It doesn't appear that either were on the scene during the shooting.

Maybe Pierre was, but no confirmation on that.
Posted by arseinclarse
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:53 pm to
And their testimony will be under oath.

Pierre may not be able to get served properly if he's out of town.

He was certainly at the crime scene.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:54 pm to
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He was certainly at the crime scene.



Both were on the scene, but Ceravollo was definitely not there when the shooting occurred.
Posted by ihometiger
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 5:44 pm to
Chick Foret insinuated that a former NOPD officer may have tampered with evidence based on statements Hayes attorney made Chick Foret talks about 2nd gun
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 5:51 pm to
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Pierre may not be able to get served properly if he's out of town.


I don't think that a subpoena will be a problem.

Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:00 pm to
None of this bickering about if Hayes pulled over or did he brake check matters at all.

The only information that is going to matter is if Will Smith drew a gun on Hayes are attacked him in any way. If not, it's murder. Whoever's fault the accident was is useless, unless to prove motive for murder. If Smith drew a gun, it's self defense and the previous hit and run doesn't mean a hill of beans.
Posted by BRgetthenet
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:01 pm to
A fender bender isn't motive for murder.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:10 pm to
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Chick Foret insinuated that a former NOPD officer may have tampered with evidence based on statements Hayes attorney made Chick Foret talks about 2nd gun


That's a very interesting video. Fuller said early on there was another gun. How could he know that unless a witness told him that. NOPD said that was bull hockey, basically. Then, they get a warrant and, lo and behold, a gun pops up in the Smith console. How would anyone know it was there other than the Smiths and maybe his friends. And, it doesn't matter if it's there if it wasn't brandished unless maybe saying he had it matters. There's more to this case than we know. May not be facts, but there are witnesses and versions we haven't heard, believable or not.

And, I don't understand why NOPD didn't search the cars at the time of the incident. Perhaps, a criminal attorney will comment on that. I don't know why there would have been a restriction on searching the cars after a murder. Maybe the Impala, but not the other two vehicles.
Posted by arseinclarse
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:10 pm to
In the new New Orleans it is. Thanks, Mitch!
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:12 pm to
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What's this stuff about Hayes having Five lawsuits already from people rear ending him?


where is that from?
Posted by Oates Mustache
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:19 pm to
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Chick Foret insinuated that a former NOPD officer may have tampered with evidence based on statements Hayes attorney made Chick Foret talks about 2nd gun




This case is a giant shite sandwich.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:30 pm to
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What's this stuff about Hayes having Five lawsuits already from people rear ending him? Looks like that initial brake check may have been an insurance scam.



Only racist people think this would logical and plausible
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:31 pm to
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Chick Foret insinuated that a former NOPD officer may have tampered with evidence based


Fuller pretty much said it, wasn't very hard to decipher. "Untoward activity witnessed"
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:31 pm to
Sure.

This isn't a black eye to Nola. It's a kick in the nutz
Posted by Fontainebleau Dr.
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:58 pm to
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What's this stuff about Hayes having Five lawsuits already from people rear ending him? Looks like that initial brake check may have been an insurance scam.


I don't know if it's been mentioned already, but a day after Smith's murder, Hayes' facebook page had a post a while back about him having been in two car accidents in two months.
Posted by ihometiger
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:23 pm to
I'm wondering if the NOPD has screwed up the entire case if the 3rd gun info is correct and evidence tampering took place.
Posted by sostan
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:51 pm to
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I forgot about that. That would certainly be in Haye's favor as far as aggression is concerned at that point only, but what went on thereafter is unknown for certain. I don't know if just following Smith too closely and/or chasing after him would amount to aggression for purposes of his defense or the charge.


This only matters if Smith would have been killed as a result of bodily injuries from a vehicle accident. The shooting was a sign of aggression. SMITH WAS SHOT TO DEATH!!!
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:56 pm to
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This only matters if Smith would have been killed as a result of bodily injuries from a vehicle accident. The shooting was a sign of aggression. SMITH WAS SHOT TO DEATH!!!




Shooting, alone, isn't always aggression. That's why this case is being discussed so much. No need for the all caps screaming. We all know he was shot to death. The question is why and that's a question right now, unless you were on the scene and witnessed the events as they occurred.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:08 pm to
If he has pending lawsuits (has lawyer on speed dial) the he's a scumbag and did stop abruptly on purpose, he knew of Benz behind him
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