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re: Simple Question concerning altruism

Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:27 pm to
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:27 pm to
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I am leaning toward it not being possible.



before I became a jaded, cynical old fart I was pretty altruistic, I once once volunteered to undergo a compatibility test for a bone marrow transplant for the young daughter of a fellow pilot at work, didn't know him or his kid, I was just young, single, healthy, and wanted to help
Posted by Texas ellessu
East Bank of Ward's Creek
Member since Dec 2007
516 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:30 pm to
Then there is Mother Teresa
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48987 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:31 pm to
Democrats are altruistic, as long as it's someone else's money
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
10387 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:31 pm to
Of course it is possible. Many of the things I'm most proud of have been for the service of others alone. However...if one does something solely for making oneself feel good, is it not also a selfish act?

There is a fascinating interview between Phil Donahue and Ayn Rand where she admits she loves to do things for the benefit of her husband and in service of him alone. She justifies her acts because she said she WANTED to do them. In other words she can justify her own acts of selflessness but not others. We are, as ever, a paradox. Is human kindness an illusion? I say not, but neither does it exist apart from self gain in some way.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:35 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:32 pm to
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Then there is Mother Teresa



careful, even the thought of mentioning me in the same light as her could cause catastrophe
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:33 pm to
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What's the personal benefit to jumping on a grenade?


A boat load of virgins according to our sandy brothers to the east
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11406 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:34 pm to
IMO it doesn't minimize the good somebody does for others if they are getting something out of it.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10962 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:37 pm to
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Altruism is a dangerous farce.


How so?
Posted by psychonAUt_tiger
Member since Aug 2021
97 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:37 pm to
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Is it really even possible to do something and it be genuinely altruistic?


It's a cool question. Pure altruism could be possible, but it would be impossible to actually prove it scientifically. On an individual level I think it's more helpful to think of in terms of specific actions. Like, if I help someone find their lost dog and spend hours walking around the woods to find it, I'd say that was an altruistic act. Do I benefit from it? Sure, it makes me feel good to help. But does the good feeling weigh more in terms of utility than the hours of physical activity spent in the search of someone else's dog? I wouldn't think so.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25778 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:53 pm to
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Is it really even possible to do something and it be genuinely altruistic?

I am leaning toward it not being possible.


It is essentially impossible for an act to be truly altruistic since the actor is almost always going to get something positive out of it.

Raising kids is one of the worst examples since a person usually gets more joy out of that than anything else in life that they do.

There has been enough written about this "Friday night altered state" question to keep one busy for the rest of their life. IMO there are circumstances where true altruism could exist but the likelihood of it happening is extremely low to the point that it may never have occurred.

Posted by nvcowboyfan
James Turner Street, Birmingham,UK
Member since Nov 2007
2955 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:55 pm to
Al Truism is my next door neighbor. Really nice guy who likes to help others.
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1148 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:04 pm to
I donate blood every couple of months, have done so for 20 years or so. Apart from a bottle of juice, a cookie and sometimes a t-shirt, I receive no direct benefit from it. No one in my family has needed blood transfusions.

Blood donors, typically, donate for truly altruistic reasons, to help the community.




Posted by SouthernStyled
Member since Apr 2021
1307 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:06 pm to
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hero


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personal glory


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gratification


The dead experience none of this. The question remains unanswered.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11234 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:08 pm to
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Altruism is a dangerous farce.


You are projecting.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
22244 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:50 pm to
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You are projecting.


You internet psychologists are amusing. True altruism doesn't exist, there are only self-serving fake altruists. Consider all the virtue-signaling dipshits that populate cancel culture and social media. Every one of them would swear that they only want the best for you. Watch how fast that flips when you disagree or refuse to validate them.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111095 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:02 pm to
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The hero syndrome is a real thing.

Sure, and again, for some but not all.

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I'm so glad you have the ability to read the minds of everyone and determine which ones are noble.

So your assertion is that everyone that does something heroic has the hero syndrome? And none of them do it because they just wanted to save someone in the moment?
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 2:03 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111095 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:04 pm to
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I once once volunteered to undergo a compatibility test for a bone marrow transplant for the young daughter of a fellow pilot at work, didn't know him or his kid, I was just young, single, healthy, and wanted to help
Some folks will tell you you weren't truly being altruistic, you were playing the long game knowing down the road you'd have an opportunity to get some e-credit on TD by telling us about it.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111095 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:12 pm to
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Raising kids is one of the worst examples since a person usually gets more joy out of that than anything else in life that they do.

Nah, kids is the perfect example as you aren't doing it for the joy it brings you. It does bring you joy, but that is not the reason you do it.

There could also be decisions you make for your children that are difficult and don't bring you joy at all(quite the opposite)but you feel are better for them in the long run.



Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111095 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:12 pm to
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The dead experience none of this. The question remains unanswered.

This. Great point
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24025 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:16 pm to
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hero

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personal glory

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gratification


Does a person who jumps in a lake or the ocean to save a drowning kid that is not their own or runs into a burning house think about any of those things in the moment?
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