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re: Simple Question concerning altruism
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:27 pm to Animal
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:27 pm to Animal
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I am leaning toward it not being possible.
before I became a jaded, cynical old fart I was pretty altruistic, I once once volunteered to undergo a compatibility test for a bone marrow transplant for the young daughter of a fellow pilot at work, didn't know him or his kid, I was just young, single, healthy, and wanted to help
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:30 pm to 777Tiger
Then there is Mother Teresa
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:31 pm to Animal
Democrats are altruistic, as long as it's someone else's money
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:31 pm to Animal
Of course it is possible. Many of the things I'm most proud of have been for the service of others alone. However...if one does something solely for making oneself feel good, is it not also a selfish act?
There is a fascinating interview between Phil Donahue and Ayn Rand where she admits she loves to do things for the benefit of her husband and in service of him alone. She justifies her acts because she said she WANTED to do them. In other words she can justify her own acts of selflessness but not others. We are, as ever, a paradox. Is human kindness an illusion? I say not, but neither does it exist apart from self gain in some way.
There is a fascinating interview between Phil Donahue and Ayn Rand where she admits she loves to do things for the benefit of her husband and in service of him alone. She justifies her acts because she said she WANTED to do them. In other words she can justify her own acts of selflessness but not others. We are, as ever, a paradox. Is human kindness an illusion? I say not, but neither does it exist apart from self gain in some way.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:32 pm to Texas ellessu
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Then there is Mother Teresa
careful, even the thought of mentioning me in the same light as her could cause catastrophe
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:33 pm to SouthernStyled
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What's the personal benefit to jumping on a grenade?
A boat load of virgins according to our sandy brothers to the east
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:34 pm to Animal
IMO it doesn't minimize the good somebody does for others if they are getting something out of it.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:37 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Altruism is a dangerous farce.
How so?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:37 pm to Animal
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Is it really even possible to do something and it be genuinely altruistic?
It's a cool question. Pure altruism could be possible, but it would be impossible to actually prove it scientifically. On an individual level I think it's more helpful to think of in terms of specific actions. Like, if I help someone find their lost dog and spend hours walking around the woods to find it, I'd say that was an altruistic act. Do I benefit from it? Sure, it makes me feel good to help. But does the good feeling weigh more in terms of utility than the hours of physical activity spent in the search of someone else's dog? I wouldn't think so.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:53 pm to Animal
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Is it really even possible to do something and it be genuinely altruistic?
I am leaning toward it not being possible.
It is essentially impossible for an act to be truly altruistic since the actor is almost always going to get something positive out of it.
Raising kids is one of the worst examples since a person usually gets more joy out of that than anything else in life that they do.
There has been enough written about this "Friday night altered state" question to keep one busy for the rest of their life. IMO there are circumstances where true altruism could exist but the likelihood of it happening is extremely low to the point that it may never have occurred.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:55 pm to Obtuse1
Al Truism is my next door neighbor. Really nice guy who likes to help others.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:04 pm to Animal
I donate blood every couple of months, have done so for 20 years or so. Apart from a bottle of juice, a cookie and sometimes a t-shirt, I receive no direct benefit from it. No one in my family has needed blood transfusions.
Blood donors, typically, donate for truly altruistic reasons, to help the community.
Blood donors, typically, donate for truly altruistic reasons, to help the community.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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hero
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personal glory
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gratification
The dead experience none of this. The question remains unanswered.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:08 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Altruism is a dangerous farce.
You are projecting.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:50 pm to tide06
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You are projecting.
You internet psychologists are amusing. True altruism doesn't exist, there are only self-serving fake altruists. Consider all the virtue-signaling dipshits that populate cancel culture and social media. Every one of them would swear that they only want the best for you. Watch how fast that flips when you disagree or refuse to validate them.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Sure, and again, for some but not all.
The hero syndrome is a real thing.
quote:So your assertion is that everyone that does something heroic has the hero syndrome? And none of them do it because they just wanted to save someone in the moment?
I'm so glad you have the ability to read the minds of everyone and determine which ones are noble.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:04 pm to 777Tiger
quote:Some folks will tell you you weren't truly being altruistic, you were playing the long game knowing down the road you'd have an opportunity to get some e-credit on TD by telling us about it.
I once once volunteered to undergo a compatibility test for a bone marrow transplant for the young daughter of a fellow pilot at work, didn't know him or his kid, I was just young, single, healthy, and wanted to help
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:12 pm to Obtuse1
quote:Nah, kids is the perfect example as you aren't doing it for the joy it brings you. It does bring you joy, but that is not the reason you do it.
Raising kids is one of the worst examples since a person usually gets more joy out of that than anything else in life that they do.
There could also be decisions you make for your children that are difficult and don't bring you joy at all(quite the opposite)but you feel are better for them in the long run.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:12 pm to SouthernStyled
quote:This. Great point
The dead experience none of this. The question remains unanswered.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:16 pm to SouthernStyled
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hero
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personal glory
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gratification
Does a person who jumps in a lake or the ocean to save a drowning kid that is not their own or runs into a burning house think about any of those things in the moment?
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