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Should school buses be equipped with seatbelts for every child on board?

Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:23 pm
Posted by Bayou Brat
Member since Jul 2021
1023 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:23 pm
Sounds like a stupid question, eh? I just read an article about a school bus crash in Ohio that killed one child and injured 23. I've read several articles about this crash and not many mention seats belt, if at all.

https://www.whio.com/news/local/multiple-injuries-reported-after-school-bus-crash-clark-county/YWQRFROXCVDWVGR4PFVE2QVIQE/

Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
10337 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:24 pm to
Of course, YES.

Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49203 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:24 pm to
Seatbelts should have been in school busses for the last 40 years and why they aren’t is beyond me.
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
7845 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:25 pm to
Velcro seats and clothing....
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
57410 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:26 pm to
Something something this generation is soft.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
71290 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

Seatbelts should have been in school busses for the last 40 years and why they aren’t is beyond me.



adult in a car? click it or ticket

30 kids on a bus? frick it, let em ride!
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
15142 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:27 pm to
For what? They’ll surely die of heat exhaustion way before they get into an accident from the lack of AC
Posted by Quatrepot
Member since Jun 2023
4154 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:28 pm to
The bus driver has one.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
8257 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:32 pm to
From the NHTSA:

Seat belts play an important role in keeping vehicle passengers safe, but since school buses are different by design, they have a different kind of safety restraint system.

Large school buses are heavier and distribute crash forces differently than passenger cars and light trucks. These differences help bus passengers experience much less crash force than those in passenger cars, light trucks and vans.
NHTSA decided the best way to provide crash protection to passengers of large school buses is through a concept called “compartmentalization.” This requires that the interior of large buses protect children without them needing to buckle up. Through compartmentalization, children are protected from crashes by strong, closely -spaced seats that have energy-absorbing seat backs.
Small school buses (with a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000 pounds or less) must be equipped with lap or lap/shoulder belts at all designated seating positions. Since the sizes and weights of small school buses are closer to those of passenger cars and trucks, seat belts in those vehicles are necessary to provide occupant protection.


In the past I though I heard that injury due to fire on the bus was a more likely hazard than crash impact injuries and seat belts may inhibit the ability for a child to get out in case of a fire...IDK something along those lines
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 3:36 pm
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
28386 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:35 pm to
I've been told the cons outweigh the pros and that the seats act as the padding for accidents.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

Should school buses be equipped with seatbelts for every child on board?
No.

School buses are like tanks vs most every other vehicle on the road. Crashes like this one where the bus overturns and kids get hurt or worse are rare.

School buses catch fire all the fricking time, including one in Central last fricking week. All kids almost always evacuate safely from buses that catch fire. If they were buckled, we'd see more injuries/deaths.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
51661 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:40 pm to
I would say no. School bus travelling is the safest mode of transportation in the nation and that is not a coincidence. The seats also absorb a lot of impact. Plus, the way they are situated allows for quickly moving upwards of 50 kids to the back exit and front exit in the case of an emergency.
Posted by jaytothen
Member since Jan 2020
7601 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:41 pm to
They need AC before seatbelts if we don't get climate boiling under control
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
28245 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:43 pm to
I've always wondered why school buses didn't require seatbelts..

Is there an actual reason or anything noted as to why they don't have them?

Apparently, Canada doesn't require them either for the same reason as listed below. Compartmentalization..

Googled...

quote:

School buses are equipped with a passive restraint system called compartmentalization that means that the seating area of a school bus is built with specially padded high-back, wider, thicker seats that protect students in school buses during accidents.


Too bad that doesn't stop them from getting thrown all over the damn place...
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 3:46 pm
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
16782 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:45 pm to

Nope - School bus catches on fire, and driver has to go unbuckle 50 kids.
Posted by Quatrepot
Member since Jun 2023
4154 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

School bus travelling is the safest mode of transportation in the nation and that is not a coincidence.
They are on the road only a couple hours a day and not at all for approximately 4 months, by comparison, so that is skewed, yes?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
28245 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

Nope - School bus catches on fire, and driver has to go unbuckle 50 kids.


I can see that as a safety issue. Wonder if someone can make a button for the driver that would unfasten all seatbelts on the bus in case of a fire.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
28245 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

They are on the road only a couple hours a day and not at all for approximately 4 months, by comparison, so that is skewed, yes?


Seems people actively drive safer around school busses.. and a school bus's top speed is like 50, so they can't get in too bad of an accident...
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
33275 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:49 pm to
They aren't going to wear them.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

They are on the road only a couple hours a day and not at all for approximately 4 months, by comparison, so that is skewed, yes?
Most vehicles are on the road less than an hour a day, so no it's not skewed. They also have dozens of passengers on board, so safety records should be by the person-mile.

I think the data says each individual child is 70 times more likely to arrive at school safety riding the bus vs. being driven to school by a parent.
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