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Should parents be charged if their children commit certain crimes? EDIT: Updated scenario
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:22 pm
If a 6 year old brings a gun to school and shoots the teacher. While prosecutors may not charge the child should the parents be charged?
Updated scenario:
What about 12yr old or 14yr old car jackers at night? Shouldn’t the parents know where their kids are at 10p?
Updated scenario:
What about 12yr old or 14yr old car jackers at night? Shouldn’t the parents know where their kids are at 10p?
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 3:50 pm
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:24 pm to RedRifle
In a lot of cases, yes.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:26 pm to RedRifle
That is not American at all.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:28 pm to RedRifle
Only in rare circumstances. You would have to prove the parent refused to discipline the child, and fought attempts by others to hold the child accountable, and otherwise enabled or abetted the behavior.
If the parents are trying and the kid is just a bad seed, then no.
If the parents are trying and the kid is just a bad seed, then no.
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:30 pm to RedRifle
quote:
If a 6 year old brings a gun to school and shoots the teacher. While prosecutors may not charge the child should the parents be charged?
If the parents secure the weapon properly, that 6 year old doesn’t get it and shoot the teacher.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:31 pm to RedRifle
While I want to say yes what if the parent is a 70 year old grandmother with 2 other kids at home?
I almost think juvenile crime is too far out of control for it to be fixed
I almost think juvenile crime is too far out of control for it to be fixed
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:33 pm to RedRifle
Parents are civilly liable
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:33 pm to RedRifle
I don't think so. The unintended consequences would probably cripple the country. Population decline would be a medium to long-term issue. Domestic abuse would be a more immediate one, as would prison overpopulation (and the accompanying issues of a massive population of convicted criminals who may or may not be employable with a record.)
It's also a pretty un-American concept, which is important to some people.
It's also a pretty un-American concept, which is important to some people.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:36 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:
Only in rare circumstances. You would have to prove the parent refused to discipline the child, and fought attempts by others to hold the child accountable, and otherwise enabled or abetted the behavior.
The agreement between the school and the parents of the 6 year old in Virginia was that a parent had to be present. The parent stopped showing up the week of the shooting.
In this case, I think there's shared blame between the parent and the administrators. The child clearly should not have been there without parental supervision.
This was evident considering the kid was reported 3 fricking times the day of the shooting for fighting and threatening to shoot up the place.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:48 pm to RedRifle
Only if it can be proven that the parent "facilitated" the enacting of the crime.
I put facilitated in quotations because that is still a tough situation to prove and what one person would consider "facilitation" would likely be different from another person.
I do believe that parents should lose access to certain social offerings if their children are repeat offenders and it can be shown that they did nothing to prevent their actions.
For example, if a child is repeatedly committing criminal acts and the parent is receiving government assistance for the care of the child, the parent should lose access to that income.
Financial consequences, not criminal.
I put facilitated in quotations because that is still a tough situation to prove and what one person would consider "facilitation" would likely be different from another person.
I do believe that parents should lose access to certain social offerings if their children are repeat offenders and it can be shown that they did nothing to prevent their actions.
For example, if a child is repeatedly committing criminal acts and the parent is receiving government assistance for the care of the child, the parent should lose access to that income.
Financial consequences, not criminal.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:50 pm to RedRifle
Most states have things like neglect laws that are often not properly utilized in the current system. It shouldn’t take 7-8 months for a parent to go to court for truancy, for education neglect charges, etc. Working with what we already have on the books works better serve the community.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:50 pm to Ancient Astronaut
quote:
Parents are civilly liable
That's the main problem tho. Good luck getting damages in civil court when the parent is on government benefits with zero assets to their name.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:52 pm to Ancient Astronaut
quote:Civil liability doesn't carry much weight or "force" if the family has no significant finances.
Parents are civilly liable
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:19 pm to RedRifle
Kids who are carjacking people at 10pm need to go to prison for life regardless of their age.
We have this much crime bc the left is soft AF.
We have this much crime bc the left is soft AF.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:29 pm to RedRifle
Absolutely.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:36 pm to Scruffy
No shite. I was just pointing that out.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:57 pm to RedRifle
quote:There is no chance anyone can make a logical argument that the parents should NOT be charged in this scenario.
If a 6 year old brings a gun to school and shoots the teacher. While prosecutors may not charge the child should the parents be charged?
Posted on 3/11/23 at 5:00 pm to Scruffy
quote:If a 6 year old can get their hands on a gun, then the parents did facilitate it.
Only if it can be proven that the parent "facilitated" the enacting of the crime.
If a 6 year old gets a parents gun without the parent knowing, whether they shoot someone or not, there aren't many scenarios where you could convince me that the parents should ever have custody of that child again.
ETA: not sure if maybe OP edited in the 6 year old scenario after some of you posted?
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:49 am to RedRifle
It depends. If any of the parents have previous charges of violence then charge the parents and lock hem away in prison..
The fewer out of prison, the better.
The fewer out of prison, the better.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 11:07 am to Tempratt
Isn't it time to review the age at which a child is no longer a child in the eyes of the law? The eleven year old carjacker...learned how to drive by whom? The thirteen year old sexual predator is no longer a child. The get out of jail free at 18 and get your record erased needs to be stopped.
And then there's emancipation. The kind that some "kids" apply for to be free from their parents. Maybe it needs to go both ways. If the child is a proven delinquent and the parent has NO control, then the parent should be able to cut the kid loose. And once we see the establishment of parental responsibility, then holding parents responsible for their children's actions becomes possible. And if the parent cuts the kid off, the money going to the parent gets cut off as well.
And then there's emancipation. The kind that some "kids" apply for to be free from their parents. Maybe it needs to go both ways. If the child is a proven delinquent and the parent has NO control, then the parent should be able to cut the kid loose. And once we see the establishment of parental responsibility, then holding parents responsible for their children's actions becomes possible. And if the parent cuts the kid off, the money going to the parent gets cut off as well.
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