re: Should good cops be upset over police reform?

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Office jobs don't protect the lives of citizens

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I beg to differ.

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Those stuck and forced to stay will do absolutely nothing and nobody with any intelligence will apply to replace them.

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Think about the propositions on the table in LA and Minnesota where they would have unarmed citizens show up to de-escalate “non-violent” situations in the community. Domestic disputes and mental health patients. I will absolutely guarantee that those situations will turn violent just because they DON’T have guns. What kind of MORONS would sign up to put in situations like that? Former cops? Zero chance. None.

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What does police reform even mean?

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It means cutting any protection and benefit a police officer receives, because you know, thatll work.

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This BS about eliminating qualified immunity should upset all law enforcement. If that goes through, lots of people are going to be looking for new lines of work.

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Agreed. Police officers would be bankrupt every time they arrest someone and the cuffs go on a little too tight. They would immediately be hit with a police brutality claim that they would then need to pay to defend. And I do not see any underwriter wanting to take on providing E&O policies; especially in today's cancel culture.

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They get away with literal murder with a slap on the wrist. There needs to be some deterrent.

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Sigh. I guess you are one of those people who believe a guy with a wife, kids, house and fifteen years on the job just wakes up one day and says “frick it, I think I will go out and shoot the first person I see today.” I am certain those officers are willing to risk everything they have just to try and pull that off.

Or maybe... They are forced into a situation where they have to defend themselves against some frick face that wants to kill them to get away and then that frick faces family and lawyers, smelling a payoff, spin the whole thing in the media to make the officer out to be a bloodthirsty racist piece of shite. And let’s not forget the part where they sit back for weeks and dissect the fifteen second encounter for all the possible ways the officer could have done something different. And let’s also not forget that the shooting was obviously racially based for no reason other than that the officer was white and the multi felon child molesting drug dealer was black and “getting his life together and was on the way to do charity work.”

In short, yes they probably should. It will only serve to further endanger them and more of them will die. Maybe that is the point. Its sort of like to rules of engagement in Iraq. The question was how many US casualties are you willing to trade for PR? Its a sliding scale. The more lax the rules of engagement, the less troop deaths but the greater risk of civilian casualties and collateral damage. And the Hajiis would constantly test the limits of those rules to see where the line was.They were also aware of what bad headlines meant and would intentionally put women and children in the line of fire for that purpose. Servicemembers would be killed because they were afraid to take decisive action in a given situation out of fear of prosecution. There were times when we would come off patrol and our rounds would be counted to see if we fired any shots. It was absurd (and easily circumvented but that is not the point)

In this case, "police reforms" to protect against unwarranted civilian deaths will assuredly result in more police getting killed. The question is where do we set the benchmark? Also, the term "unwarranted" is obviously subjective i.e. the George Floyd situation is not the same as Michael Brown is not the same as Philando Castille is not the same as Alton Sterling. Each case has its own facts and should be assessed accordingly. The mob simply equates them all which is dishonest.

I see no conceivable reason to want to be a cop in 2020 in America. Its insane.

When will we see "Career Criminal Reform"

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Should good cops be upset over police reform?

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That's not an easy question to answer.

Some common sense reforms? Sure, no problem.

Reforms compromising officer safety to prevent hurt feelings? GTFO.

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if a good cop knows about bad or corrupt cops in the force and doesn't bring them up/report them, does that not make them a bad cop?

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Yes, and no.

Similar to how things are in the hood, there is an LE culture of "snitching" being frowned upon, and sometimes reporting a bad cop is met with threats of violence, or punishment.

I can see why a cop wouldn't want to report a bad cop's corrupt or violent behavior, so if there is reform,then that needs to be the focus.