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re: Should a 13 y.o. murderer be tried and sentenced under adult guidelines?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:04 am to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:04 am to LSUTANGERINE
Depends on the color of skin of course. Did I get that right LSUTangerine?
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Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:05 am to LSUTANGERINE
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so you would want the 13 year old charged as an adult for his behavior, while absolving the girl who made her own decision because she is a kid?
What do you not understand about one broke the law, the other did not?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:06 am to LSUTANGERINE
quote:We have laws. Are those what you refer to as guidelines.
guidelines
A 13 yo murderer should be treated fairly but harshly just like a 50 yo murderer.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:06 am to RB10
okay, let's say the girl was convinced the 40 year old was going to marry her and drove a getaway car? SHoudl she be charged as an adult to the accomplice to robbery?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:07 am to LSUTANGERINE
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okay, let's say the girl was convinced the 40 year old was going to marry her and drove a getaway car? SHoudl she be charged as an adult to the accomplice to robbery?
That's simple. Yes.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:07 am to LSUTANGERINE
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so you would want the 13 year old charged as an adult for his behavior,
Sure
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while absolving the girl who made her own decision because she is a kid?
How are you absolving her by charging the adult that committed the felony? She was dumb, not criminal.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:08 am to LSUTANGERINE
I don't think a 13 YO should be tried as an adult. I remember being a stupid 13YO, I didn't understand things like I do today
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:08 am to MSMHater
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She was dumb, not criminal.
Now she is, go re-read
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:09 am to LSUTANGERINE
Keep trying to change the scenarios to make your point... it's not relevant.
The decision to kill vs being manipulated into sex/criminal activity is totally different.
Next, you'll say, "What if the 13-yo who committed murder was seduced into doing it.". I'd say you would need proof and a seducer and it wouldn't be first degree at that point.
The decision to kill vs being manipulated into sex/criminal activity is totally different.
Next, you'll say, "What if the 13-yo who committed murder was seduced into doing it.". I'd say you would need proof and a seducer and it wouldn't be first degree at that point.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:09 am to LSUTANGERINE
quote:I wish a 13 yr old would rape you then kill you
LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:10 am to LSUTANGERINE
I think there needs to be a new set of guidelines for the young and dangerous. Obviously a 13 year old is not an adult; however, how can we protect society against and rehabilitate someone who has already committed terrible acts as a teen/child.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 11:11 am
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:13 am to LSUTANGERINE
Murder & statutory rape are not in the same ballpark. A kid making a stupid decision to have sex at an early age with an adult who is lying to them is NOT the same as a kid deciding to murder another human. The thought process of those 2 acts do not run parallel so the legal & moral process should not be the same.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:14 am to LSUTANGERINE
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I just see it as in interesting moral or even legal dilemma.
then you never read lysander spooner on vice
you should...
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:14 am to LSUTANGERINE
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would you press charges if a 40 year old man seduced your 13 year old daughter over the phone and she ran away for a night to engage in intercourse with him?
I wouldn't press charges because he wouldn't do it again. he would take a beating to make him rethink his whole life.
As for the original question posed, yes, any murderer should be tried as an adult especially if it was cold blood.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:15 am to LSUTANGERINE
I think the details and circumstances of the murder are of the utmost importance. If premeditation, detailed planning, etc are proven, I wouldn't have an issue with it.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:16 am to MSMHater
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How are you absolving her by charging the adult that committed the felony? She was dumb, not criminal
Jesus fricking Christ people, can you not logically think? He's obviously saying that if it's OK for a 13 yr old murderer to be tried as an adult, then why don't we look at another 13 yr old that has consensual sex with a legal adult as an underage person just because she didn't commit the crime. He's asking whether or not the 40 yr old should be charged. In one hand, we've acknowledged that a 13 yr old murderer, being tried as an adult, is capable of making his own choice and will be prosecuted in such a manner. That sets the precedent that 13 yr olds are mature enough to make their own decisions, so why charge a 40 yr old man with rape when he had consensual sex with a 13 yr old girl when we have already established that 13 yr olds are capable of making their own decisions with the murder case. This is not that hard.
Now, I don't necessarily agree with it. I think a 13 yr old murderer should be charged as an adult. I think any man that has sex with a 13 yr old girl is a pathetic piece of shite and should be charged as a pathetic piece of shite. That doesn't necessarily mean that I think the girl was raped.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 11:19 am
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:19 am to OWLFAN86
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wish a 13 yr old would rape you then kill you
And not be charged with a crime.
Because heros arent criminals
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:19 am to dnm3305
It is simple, it's just a terrible hypothetical.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:20 am to LSUTANGERINE
This topic hasn't received nearly as much research as it should, but based on the studies conducted, minors receiving harsher crimes tend to have a high rate of recidivism.
How do other first-world countries around the world treat such offenses by minors?
How do other first-world countries around the world treat such offenses by minors?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:21 am to dnm3305
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Jesus fricking Christ people, can you not logically think? He's obviously saying that if it's OK for a 13 yr old murderer to be tried as an adult, then why don't we look at another 13 yr old that has consensual sex with a legal adult as an underage person just because she didn't commit the crime. He's asking whether or not the 40 yr old should be charged. In one hand, we've acknowledged that a 13 yr old murderer, being tried as an adult, is capable of making his own choice and will be prosecuted in such a manner. That sets the precedent that 13 yr olds are mature enough to make their own decisions, so why charge a 40 yr old man with rape when he had consensual sex with a 13 yr old girl when we have already established that 13 yr olds are capable of making their own decisions with the murder case. This is not that hard. Now, I don't necessarily agree with it. I think a 13 yr old murderer should be charged as an adult. I think any man that has sex with a 13 yr old girl is a pathetic piece of shite and should be charged as a pathetic piece of shite. That doesn't mean that I don't think the girl was necessarily raped.
At least someone is able to score well on an IQ test. Sometimes I incorrectly give some of the OT too much credit
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