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re: Should a 13 y.o. murderer be tried and sentenced under adult guidelines?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:22 am to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:22 am to LSUTANGERINE
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At least someone is able to score well on an IQ test. Sometimes I incorrectly give some of the OT too much credit
Your scenario was shite and you seriously expected people to grasp it?
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Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:23 am to TIGERFANZZ
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Murder & statutory rape are not in the same ballpark. A kid making a stupid decision to have sex at an early age with an adult who is lying to them is NOT the same as a kid deciding to murder another human. The thought process of those 2 acts do not run parallel so the legal & moral process should not be the same.
I did not say or imply they are the same. No one said the 40 year old lied. In fact, you may assume he did not.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:26 am to RB10
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Your scenario was shite and you seriously expected people to grasp it?
People who don't think dichotomously and in black and white (not race), absolutely yes. But you are right; this is the OT. I should have known better
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:26 am to LSUTANGERINE
I don't think the argument is as bad as people are making it out to be. But, at different ages, different things feel right and wrong. You don't just all of a sudden understand all the repercussions of your decisions. At 13 you should know killing someone is wrong but you might not understand sexual emotions.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:27 am to LSUTANGERINE
Yes and yes.
The 13 year old girl, if she were my daughter, would still be partially at fault too and I would punish her accordingly but the man should be punished accordingly as well for breaking the law.
Pretty simple "dilemma".
The 13 year old girl, if she were my daughter, would still be partially at fault too and I would punish her accordingly but the man should be punished accordingly as well for breaking the law.
Pretty simple "dilemma".
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:27 am to ZZTIGERS
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I think the details and circumstances of the murder are of the utmost importance. If premeditation, detailed planning, etc are proven, I wouldn't have an issue with it.
Let's say it was. Let's also say the girl thought long and hard about it too.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:28 am to RandySavage
Wait, did the 13 yo girl commit a crime by being dumb and having sex with a 40 year old?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:28 am to RandySavage
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The 13 year old girl, if she were my daughter, would still be partially at fault too and I would punish her accordingly but the man should be punished accordingly as well for breaking the law.
and should she be charged as an adult for robbery?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:29 am to LSUTANGERINE
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People who don't think dichotomously and in black and white (not race), absolutely yes. But you are right; this is the OT. I should have known better
Honestly, you're insinuating that if a person believes a 13 year old should be tried as an adult for murder, then you should also believe that a 40 year old who sleeps with a 13 year old should be exonerated IF the child did it willingly.
That's one of the dumbest sentiments I've ever seen. Ever.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 11:31 am
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:29 am to roadGator
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Wait, did the 13 yo girl commit a crime by being dumb and having sex with a 40 year old?
Don't know when you came in, but read OP again
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 11:31 am
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:30 am to RB10
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Honestly, your insinuating that if a person believes a 13 year old should be tried as an adult for murder, then you should also believe that a 40 year old who sleeps with a 13 year old should be exonerated IF the child did it willingly.
That's one of the dumbest sentiments I've ever seen. Ever.
Agreed. Most 13 year old children that murder probably shouldn't be tried as an adult.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:32 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Should a 13 y.o. murderer be tried and sentenced under adult guidelines?
nope...
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:32 am to LSUTANGERINE
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and should she be charged as an adult for robbery?
Robbery? Maybe I missed something but when did robbery enter the equation?
Just read the edit, that scenario doesn't even deserve contemplation because it makes no relevance to the original question.
Basically it comes down the the 13 year old in one case committed a crime and the 13 year old in another case did not. The 40 year old man committed a crime. The people that committed a crime should be punished by the law. The one who did not commit a crime but did something incredibly stupid should be punished by their parents. Again, pretty simple.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 11:35 am
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:34 am to RandySavage
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robbery? Maybe I missed something but when did robbery enter the equation?
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If you say yes, (and I suspect most will) would you press charges if a 40 year old man seduced your 13 year old daughter over the phone and she ran away for a night to engage in intercourse with him? Both were capable enough to make their adult decisions, right?
EDIT: okay, let's also say the girl was convinced the 40 year old was going to marry her and drove a getaway car? SHould she be charged as an adult to the accomplice to robbery?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:41 am to RandySavage
So you won't answer the second part? If the 13 year old murderer should be tried as an adult because he bears adult responsibility for his crime, why not the 13 year old girl who was seduced and helped with the robbery so they could marry?
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:43 am to LSUTANGERINE
yes, but they wont charge her as an adult for the stealing of car.
But had she killed some one, yes.
But had she killed some one, yes.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 11:47 am to stlslick
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yes, but they wont charge her as an adult for the stealing of car. But had she killed some one, yes.
You are right on that. And that is a problem, IMO.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:14 pm to LSUTANGERINE
No the 13 year old should be forced to military school and get resocialized its the only solution. He should also be constantly reminded of what could have happened and that he was lucky as hell to get a second chance.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:16 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I'm sorry USC football turned to crap but that is no excuse to become one of the worst posters on this site.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:33 pm to TigerMyth36
I've always been one of the worst, even during the Carrol era.
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