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re: Shortage of Baton Rouge detectives driving concern among residents

Posted on 5/30/18 at 8:59 am to
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78675 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 8:59 am to
How are the ascending crime numbers, in particular, homicides, are going to effect the LSU football season in terms of people coming to Baton Rouge to tailgate?
Posted by BowDownToLSU
Livingston louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
21870 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:08 am to
Answers 1 2 3 and of course reason 4
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
45546 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:10 am to
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The vast majority of the parish’s homicides happen within city limits,


Better Together.
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
27402 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:22 am to
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I wonder what ole Hillar thinks of SWB..


No idea, but Hillar is part of the problem. Just remember anytime you see a judge doing this or that, Hillar's office, up until very recently, sat idly by and let it happen. He is now catching heat so he decides to do something.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:35 am to
I wouldn't blame Hillar for the weak sentences judges in BR give criminals. He does what he can to put criminals behind bars

He's probably in the hot seat now for prosecuting black criminals for committing crimes
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
22079 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:50 am to
i can't imagine living in a city where the people in charge are so inept that i actually have to think about city services on a regular basis.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75950 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:00 am to
you just called out the entire state of Louisiana


Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20405 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:48 am to
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No idea, but Hillar is part of the problem. Just remember anytime you see a judge doing this or that, Hillar's office, up until very recently, sat idly by and let it happen.


Are you the dumbass that complained about Hillar not firing that crazy black female judge in the thread a couple of months back? The DA has NOTHING to do with the judiciary. They are an elected (in LA) independent body just as is the Public Defenders Office. That is the basis of our entire justice system. You need to get back into high school Civics class. The fact that your vote counts the same as mine is troubling to say the least.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
73775 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:59 am to
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How can you simultaneously hate cops/fuel the BLM movement and beg for more cops? I thought they was the devil?



See Baltimore.

That's the lunacy of the movement and those involved.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:02 am to
There is one poster who hates Hillar. I like the guy, and have since he was my lawyer in '02. Always tell him hello, and spend some time talking to him. He flat out does a good job, and from the hours he's put in learning things since he has been DA, IMHO, he'd be a good fit for higher office
Posted by Beessnax
Member since Nov 2015
11467 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:09 am to
I say you charge the individual districts for the added cost of their crime. If the district can't afford it welfare payments can be reduced to achieve the goal.

Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71199 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:14 am to
Maybe if starting pay was higher, they could find more qualified applicants. Maybe they'd have the money to hire more applicants if they weren't scamming the taxpayers by billing obscene amounts of OT pay (like 40 hours of OT/week every week) via double-dipping and straight up fraud. Maybe the officers wouldn't need to work so much OT to make ends meet if their pay was higher. Maybe they wouldn't need officers to work so much OT to keep the peace if they had more officers...
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:17 am to
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Well that doesn’t sound like a winning strategy. Isn’t the point of an arrest to lead to a conviction gumshoe?

Once the arrest is made, though, the cops have done their part. The cops investigate for the purposes of getting enough to make an arrest. It's the DA's job to present the case to a court and investigate for the purposes of getting a conviction. The cops will turn everything they have over to the DA and might help the DA with further investigation, but their metrics are based on putting a good arrest together with a crime. If the DA botches the prosecution, that's not the cops' fault and the metrics by which they're both measured reflect that.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 11:22 am
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71199 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:18 am to
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There is one poster who hates Hillar. I like the guy, and have since he was my lawyer in '02. Always tell him hello, and spend some time talking to him. He flat out does a good job, and from the hours he's put in learning things since he has been DA, IMHO, he'd be a good fit for higher office



Hillar is the least of the problem with BR's crime. The issues are:
1. a lack of officers
2. a lack of emphesis on investigating property crime
3. over-emphasis on policing to generate revenue (i.e. inspection stickers, DUI check points, speed traps, etc)
4. a lack of witnesses willing to testify due to
5. a lack of ability for BRPD to protect witnesses from reprisal
6. corrupt/racist judges that give overly lenient sentences to career criminals to placate their voter base
7. a majority voter base that supports corrupt/racist officials that in turn protect career criminals from being taken off of the streets permanently.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20405 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:22 am to
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The cops might help the DA, but they're looking for arrests foremost and letting the DA worry about convictions.


Now that’s just not true. The object isn’t to just make an arrest, it is to present a case that is prosecutable and that means proper evidence collection, good interviewing and proper documentation. There are detectives who believe “frick it, I made an arrest and now it is the DA’s problem.” They don’t last long as an investigator. It isn’t just your arrest rate but successful convictions that mark you as a good or shitty detective.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:32 am to
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Now that’s just not true. The object isn’t to just make an arrest, it is to present a case that is prosecutable and that means proper evidence collection, good interviewing and proper documentation. There are detectives who believe “frick it, I made an arrest and now it is the DA’s problem.” They don’t last long as an investigator. It isn’t just your arrest rate but successful convictions that mark you as a good or shitty detective.


Yeah, I clearly didn't get my point across well at all.

For the purposes of their metrics, they stop at an arrest just because they need a logical place to stop and hand over the responsibility so they can say 'okay, we're done' and move on to other cases. I didn't mean to imply that they weren't trying to build an ironclad case up to that point. I was just trying to point out that they check it off their list at the arrest with the implicit understanding that they have tried to build as ironclad a case as they could to hand over to the DA so he can send the guy up the river, not that they were doing the bare minimum to get an arrest and move on. Everything the detectives do is with the intent to secure a conviction.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 11:44 am
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25818 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:34 am to
Ugh... frick this fricking town.
Posted by Ba Ba Boooey
Northshore
Member since May 2010
4729 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:35 am to
I’m truly amazed they have a 45% clearance rate seeing how witnesses don’t speak to the police.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:04 pm to
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Do you have to start as a patrolling officer to be a detective?


Don't know about BR, but in most places that is the case. It is a stupid concept and keeps a lot of intelligent educated people from pursuing police work. You don't have to serve x years in the enlisted ranks before you can be a officer in the military.
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
27402 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 7:11 pm to
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Are you the dumbass that complained about Hillar not firing that crazy black female judge in the thread a couple of months back? The DA has NOTHING to do with the judiciary. They are an elected (in LA) independent body just as is the Public Defenders Office. That is the basis of our entire justice system. You need to get back into high school Civics class. The fact that your vote counts the same as mine is troubling to say the least.


You are about as far off as possible. I'm sure you've logged more courtroom time then me though. Carry on. And public defenders are not elected. I'm not sure if that is what you meant.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 7:16 pm
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