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re: Sheriff’s Deputy charged with first degree murder (Shooting video in OP)
Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
man what a dumbass.
"I'm not getting boiling water thrown at my face". Ok cool, no one else would like that either, but the solution isn't to blast the woman in the face with your 9 as she hides and says i'm sorry.
clear case of murder by the idiot cop.
There is no one that's coming to his defense.
Cowardice is still punishable by death according to the UCMJ.
Dude was scared of a little pot of water and took a womans life.
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 1:47 pm
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Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:49 pm to stout
Wouldn't first degree mean that he went there with the intent to kill her?
Dude deserves to go to prison, but doesn't seem like 1st degree is the right charge
Dude deserves to go to prison, but doesn't seem like 1st degree is the right charge
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:23 pm to SG_Geaux
quote:I think a lot depends on the state, since there appears to be a lot of distinctions from state to state.
Wouldn't first degree mean that he went there with the intent to kill her?
Dude deserves to go to prison, but doesn't seem like 1st degree is the right charge
That said, 1st degree murder usually is differentiated from others based on intent and premeditation, but those do not have to be some elaborate plan long before the murder is committed. Makes it easier to prove, but intent/premeditation can often occur pretty instantaneously and right before the murder is committed. Like someone saying “I’m gonna shoot you in the face,” and then shooting someone in the head is probably pretty strong evidence of this.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:59 pm to buckeye_vol
1st vs 2nd degree in many/most States has to do with aggravating factors.
Generic murder is 2nd degree and a list of aggravating factors elevate it to 1st degree
E.g.
Age of victim
Multiple victims
Murder during the commission of another heinous crime
Murder for hire
Etc.
Generic murder is 2nd degree and a list of aggravating factors elevate it to 1st degree
E.g.
Age of victim
Multiple victims
Murder during the commission of another heinous crime
Murder for hire
Etc.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:59 pm to stout
I just don’t get WTF he was thinking…..he straight up murdered a lady on camera weird situation all the way around.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:00 pm to MRTigerFan
quote:
Unless there's another thread I haven't seen, the vast majority of people on the PT are in agreement that this was murder and that cop is a pos
That’s what I just saw as well.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:03 pm to SG_Geaux
quote:
Wouldn't first degree mean that he went there with the intent to kill her?
Not necessarily and in the case of Illinois it is not required. Homicide laws vary significantly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Your understanding is true in some jurisdictions and is bolstered by the fact many if not most legal TV shows and movies used that definition. Generic homicide laws are generally useless.
quote:
CRIMINAL OFFENSES
(720 ILCS 5/) Criminal Code of 2012.
(720 ILCS 5/Art. 9 heading)
ARTICLE 9. HOMICIDE
(720 ILCS 5/9-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 9-1)
Sec. 9-1. First degree murder.
(a) A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:
(1) he or she either intends to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another; or
(2) he or she knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another; or
(3) he or she, acting alone or with one or more participants, commits or attempts to commit a forcible felony other than second degree murder, and in the course of or in furtherance of such crime or flight therefrom, he or she or another participant causes the death of a person.
(b) (Blank).
(b-5) (Blank).
(c) (Blank).
(d) (Blank).
(e) (Blank).
(f) (Blank).
(g) (Blank).
(h) (Blank)..
(h-5) (Blank).
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(Source: P.A. 103-51, eff. 1-1-24.)
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:06 pm to Delacroix22
quote:
But you shot someone over a pot of boiling water? Come on man.
This is where I am. Like even if she was legitimately threatening dousing him in boiling water, the first instinct shouldn't be to kill.
Not saying it wouldn't be dangerous and the cop shouldn't protect himself, but a close quarters headshot is a crazy way to go about that.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:08 pm to jizzle6609
quote:
Yup, he deserves everything coming to him.
Hopefully that includes death by severe anal hemorrhaging
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:09 pm to stout
Goes to show that cops are nothing more than henchmen for the government
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:13 pm to Obtuse1
There is this weird kind of “ Risk Formalism “ that has saturated our Institutions and our thinking. It is an elevation of the letter of the law over the spirit of the law. 25 years ago personal discretion was more prevalent. But this guy believes that if he faces any risk he faces imminent harm or danger and that’s just ridiculous. It’s almost like he flipped a switch that instantaneously had him thinking if there is any risk I have the right to kill her. Which is scary AF. That poor woman stood no chance because that guy has some weird rigid authoritarian psychology and felt like he had legal cover in the moment to blow her away. When any other 3 people on the planet could have easily diffused a very minor situation.
RIP to this woman. She did not deserve that.
RIP to this woman. She did not deserve that.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:20 pm to stout
Racism angle and "black people aren't safe in America" is being played out like crazy across social media.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:22 pm to stout
He knew he was cooked as soon as he pulled the trigger. His partner, who knew his body cam was rolling, was smart enough to not say a damn thing, and not affirm any of the shooters justifications.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:26 pm to jizzle6609
I saw a new video today that shows she did let go of the pot and she had her hands up with the oven mitts.
the pot was greyish? the mitts are red.
again pot is down. mitts are in her hands. her hands are up.
clearly she is holding up mitts and going down to the ground
this guy should go to jail and never be let out again.
absolutely sickening.
LINK
and nobody should be defending this ignorant piece of shite.
the pot was greyish? the mitts are red.
again pot is down. mitts are in her hands. her hands are up.
clearly she is holding up mitts and going down to the ground
this guy should go to jail and never be let out again.
absolutely sickening.
LINK
and nobody should be defending this ignorant piece of shite.
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:29 pm to Remulan
quote:
Hopefully that includes death by severe anal hemorrhaging
Whats disgusting is his lack of concern or care about the person he just shot. The way he was speaking was like it was a badge of honor to have hit this weaponless woman with a headshot. Disgusting.
He is a first grade POS.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:29 pm to CaptSpaulding
quote:
He knew he was cooked as soon as he pulled the trigger. His partner, who knew his body cam was rolling, was smart enough to not say a damn thing, and not affirm any of the shooters justifications.
the cop who was the shooter was a fricking liar.
at least that other cop actually showed emotion after it all unfolded. he was visibly shaking on his cam at his car.
the other cop just lied about it.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:31 pm to Falco
quote:
Racism angle and "black people aren't safe in America" is being played out like crazy across social media.
This isnt the case to hitch up to.
This woman is going to have overwhelming support from everyone.
This isnt a race thing, this is a human decency thing, and this dude is a disgusting human who deserves to live behind bars until he expires.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:35 pm to stout
Congrats on the demotion to Prison Pussy, cop. This is what a coward looks like. Scared of (allegedly) hot water haha. This is the type of police officer that would wait outside a school for the shooter to stop killing kids.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:37 pm to Honest Tune
quote:
type of police officer that would wait outside a school for the shooter to stop killing kids.
No, he wouldve gotten pulled over for DUI on the way.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:38 pm to jizzle6609
Was he intoxicated on the job? If so I missed that detail.
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