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Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:00 pm to Fat and Happy
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That’s no crazy to realize but the only folks i know that are truly enjoying like in their 30s and 40s are either very wealthy and kill it financially at work or don’t have kids.
Statistically that’s true. People with kids in their 40s tend to self-report lower levels of happiness than their same-age childless peers.
But what about 50 and up?
That’s the problem. People look at parenthood and make a point-in-time evaluation and ignore the impact it has on the entirety of one’s life.
They also ignore the fact that “happiness”, while it’s important, isn’t the end-all-be-all.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:00 pm to KemoSabe65
Birth rates for asians are below that of whites and blacks now are basically white tier, Latinos are higher but that's carried by immigrants, native born ones are in the tank as well
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:00 pm to CaptainsWafer
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There’s nothing wrong with people not wanting kids. It’s better for everyone if they don’t have them, rather than having kids they didn’t want in the first place.
They dont want them for the wrong reasons though.
Like for instance, climate change.
Whats happening is more like people are being brainwashed into not having kids.
This post was edited on 7/25/24 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:02 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Most of these women will reach their early 30s and then they’ll start getting the baby fever. Biology is undefeated
Nursing homes should be invested in heavily.
There will be a lot of women folk headed there because they have no one to take care of them when they get old.
Just sayin
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:09 pm to deltaland
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Here I am wanting kids with my wife and we have tried over a year with no luck. Been doing inseminations at a fertility clinic and of course the natural way. Family planning, all of it. Only thing we haven’t tried is IVF but it’s like 30k per try and don’t have the extra funds at the moment
There’s nothing wrong with either of us fertility wise but it just won’t happen. And we don’t have several years to keep trying with our age.
We tried for 6+ years. Don't think it's in the cards for us. Unless we go IVF which is up in the air.
The IVF is a great conversation too.
"You should make babies and don't stop making babies it's good for society!"
*Can't have them so we go the IVF route* Same person...
"Don't use IVF God hates IVF you sinner!"
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:11 pm to Pax Regis
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Raising a child and especially children means you have to sacrifice something of yourself, your time, and your money. Brunch Saturdays and Sundays tend to disappear. Today’s modern woman doesn’t have the capacity to be focused on anything but self.
Agreed.
I’ll also add that we don’t live in a society that makes having children easy, regardless of associated costs. I’m reminded of this every summer when I have to put my child in summer camps that run from 9-3, as if I get some kind of special summer working hours because schools out.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:14 pm to RLDSC FAN
I felt that way in my 20’s. Currently in 30’s, happy with 2 kids.
Young adults, including a younger me, typically don’t know what we want for the rest of our lives.
Young adults, including a younger me, typically don’t know what we want for the rest of our lives.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:16 pm to RLDSC FAN
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especially women, who are "unlikely" to have kids is surging
is it surging by the same % of men that are now identifying themselves as women?
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:21 pm to Rex Feral
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That's short sighted at best. Same thing happened in Europe and look what they had to import to fill job vacancies.
That’s fricking horseshite. Europe did not have to flood itself with third world poverty. Europe chose to do this. Big business always wants cheaper labor and leftists always want to import brown people to wash away their own white guilt.
A sane country, like Japan, simply continues with fewer people. No need to commit suicide.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:24 pm to pelicanpride
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If you wait for things to be perfect you will never have kids. That’s true regardless how much money you make.
I don't think anyone reasonable is waiting for the "perfect" moment to have kids.
Most people want to be able to provide for their children in a way that the kid will feel safe and have time to develop their own interests without judgement, know they can try things and fail, and generally be happy and healthy.
The truth of the state of public school in America is that if you don't live in a good school district, it's no longer the case that you're sending your kid with the rest of the future working class. Particularly in the south, you might be sending your kid somewhere for 7 hours a day where they have to deal with....well, to put it nicely, kids who have parents that don't particularly care about the education system. There may be drug busts (there were plenty when I was in school). There may be actually dangerous kids at the school who bring weapons.
I don't need our lives to be perfect to bring kids into the world. I just need to know that we will have enough money to put them in a school that cares about their education and is safe. Ideally I'd like to be able to give them a 1-2 week vacation per year. And I want to do it while saving for their college (if they want to go) and my retirement. I don't think that's wanting things to be perfect.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:25 pm to CaptainsWafer
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There’s nothing wrong with people not wanting kids. It’s better for everyone if they don’t have them, rather than having kids they didn’t want in the first place.
The problem is I don’t know most of them realize what they want. They have been told about a dream where they nurture a career instead of kids and I think there’s going to be plenty of regret down the line.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:30 pm to NoSaint
How come Altima drivers don't seem to have problems procreating?
Posted on 7/25/24 at 3:02 pm to pelicanpride
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My husband had to choose between two people to lay off recently. One had 3 kids, and his wife had recently lost her job. He kept that dude even though the other worker (no kids) was marginally better. Things won’t always look perfect on paper. Sometimes you have to hold your nose and jump in.
Wow, so the guy without kids had to suffer because of the guy who decided to have kids? Even though he was better at his job? That's BS.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 3:12 pm to whoa
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I’m reminded of this every summer when I have to put my child in summer camps that run from 9-3, as if I get some kind of special summer working hours because schools out.
Yea, this one is really frustrating and makes absolutely no sense when their summer camp is the same place they go to school
Posted on 7/25/24 at 3:12 pm to mt1
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How come Altima drivers don't seem to have problems procreating?
Anal not permitted in the car
Posted on 7/25/24 at 3:16 pm to beerJeep
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Children have become unaffordable for the masses. If you aren’t on government assistance or making 6 figures, you’re getting raw dogged.
I appreciate the economic realities and difficulties here, I seriously do.
But how much economic might, success, ingenuity, growth, etc. have been fostered by people worried about how they'd provide for their family and future generations.
This is the other side of the skin in the game conversation. Not simply that people without kids may make bad decisions because they won't be here to see them materialize, but that people may not take the risks and do the work to push society and culture forward because they lack one of the greatest possible motivators to do so.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 3:25 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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We tried for 6+ years. Don't think it's in the cards for us. Unless we go IVF which is up in the air.
The IVF is a great conversation too.
"You should make babies and don't stop making babies it's good for society!"
*Can't have them so we go the IVF route* Same person...
"Don't use IVF God hates IVF you sinner!"
I've been where you're at, and I'm also in the fringe who thinks these discussions about IVF and surrogacy are healthy and need to be had as a culture.
I think this is a very big oversimplification over the IVF debate. A couple of thoughts - First, I think IVF/fertility treatment generally is promoted as a backstop and is leading people to make bad decisions and prioritize other things. That's not the fault of IVF itself, of course. Second, IVF comes with it a lot of moral/ethical questions that I think should be had. I'm pretty knee deep in the groups that debate these things and it's very infrequent I hear someone talk about IVF as inherently bad or something to be opposed. Something to be deemphasized, maybe.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 3:30 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 7/25/24 at 3:36 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Yea, this one is really frustrating and makes absolutely no sense when their summer camp is the same place they go to school
It makes plenty of sense, it's absolute extortion
My kids go to camp at the same pre school with basically the same hours at 3x the cost
pure shakedown because they can
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