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re: Schools confront 'off the rails' numbers of failing grades
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:00 am to Salmon
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:00 am to Salmon
Homework is necessary but it can be too much, I agree. Homework is critical for kids learning to allocate their own time to learning/working/getting better. Being able to do that is essential for college which is less structured. It also forces, in some cases, more parental involvement which is good overall. While there are a few parents who sometimes literally DO this kids work, most parents wouldn't have a clue what was going on if it weren't for homework and simply asking about it or the kids asking them. It creates a line of communication with very little effort on either side.
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:00 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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Why aren't these teachers turning these kids in who aren't attending?
My wife (no pics) is a teacher and has already turned the same kid in to truancy thrice. The courts are now getting involved
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:00 am to ell_13
Students at home log into zoom and turn their webcams off, then leave the room or go back to sleep or play video games, etc.
I’m totally shocked that this hybrid model didn’t return great results.
I’m totally shocked that this hybrid model didn’t return great results.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:01 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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Why aren't these teachers turning these kids in who aren't attending?
Our district has a specific team that is handling that in NTI. They're doing the home visits and all that you typically do for truancy.
The problem here is the courts have been shut down due to restrictions and the docket is backed way, way up.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:02 am to RLDSC FAN
As a teacher I can tell you that the kids who are staying home just aren't doing a damn thing and the parents are not invested enough to keep track of their kids' schooling.
As a parent I can tell you that I actually keep up with my kids work and she has straight As.
As a parent I can tell you that I actually keep up with my kids work and she has straight As.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:05 am to Locoguan0
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As a teacher I can tell you that the kids who are staying home just aren't doing a damn thing and the parents are not invested enough to keep track of their kids' schooling.
There's this too.
Talked to a parent yesterday that said "Well my kid says they're getting on" but they weren't. And this was a stay-at-home Mom, so there wasn't the valid complaint of "I'm working and can't keep stay on top of it" which I can completely understand.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:05 am to Locoguan0
quote:In this instance, I put way less blame on parents. Not every parent can be attentive enough to make sure their kids are online all day. The point here is that expecting kids to work from home while parents have to be 10 times more focused on their schooling is simply asking for triple the failure rate. We all knew this would happen.
the parents are not invested enough to keep track of their kids' schooling.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:05 am to Locoguan0
On the flip side, it’s super easy for students who stay home 100% of the time to cheat on tests and exams. It’s damn near impossible for a teacher to fully monitor them testing and protect testing integrity.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:06 am to RLDSC FAN
Color me shocked. Who cold have ever seen that coming?
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:07 am to RLDSC FAN
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Internet access is limited or inconsistent, making it difficult to complete and upload assignments.
Especially for POC which unfortunately highlights the engrained systemic racism still prevalent in our country.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:11 am to RLDSC FAN
Ehhh
The kids that are failing more than likely should have been failing in normal times. Most public schools give you a c for showing up occasionally, a b for showing up regularly, and an a for a little effort
The kids that are failing more than likely should have been failing in normal times. Most public schools give you a c for showing up occasionally, a b for showing up regularly, and an a for a little effort
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:13 am to fillmoregandt
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THe real question is, how can we blame this on white people
Did you not notice the minority code words?
Disadvantaged students
Students who 1st language isn't English
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:14 am to GreatLakesTiger24
"The kids that are failing more than likely should have been failing in normal times. Most public schools give you a c for showing up occasionally, a b for showing up regularly, and an a for a little effort"
And as a teacher I'm not saying you are wrong, but this is part of the problem too!
And as a teacher I'm not saying you are wrong, but this is part of the problem too!
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:17 am to tigers25
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On the flip side, it’s super easy for students who stay home 100% of the time to cheat on tests and exams. It’s damn near impossible for a teacher to fully monitor them testing and protect testing integrity.
Eh. If you're a good teacher, you can create an exam that is difficult to just Google an answer. You can do things like reduce the time to complete the exam so that it's virtually impossible to get the answers. And differentiates between different classes so it doesn't spread to other groups after one group takes the test.
Our school also invested in a lockdown browser program that a lot of brick and mortar colleges use for their online courses.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:19 am to BluegrassBelle
They can still have notes behind their laptop or a tablet or phone that isn’t visible on webcam. Trust me, they find ways to cheat.
Edit to say, I know of districts that also have invested in locked browser programs AND programs where the teacher can take control of the kids school issues laptop to see what they are looking at and access every feature on the school issued laptop. They still find ways to cheat using notes, tablets, or cell phones behind the school issued laptop screen that isn’t visible on webcam.
Edit to say, I know of districts that also have invested in locked browser programs AND programs where the teacher can take control of the kids school issues laptop to see what they are looking at and access every feature on the school issued laptop. They still find ways to cheat using notes, tablets, or cell phones behind the school issued laptop screen that isn’t visible on webcam.
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:21 am to tigers25
Then have it be open book/note, but increase the difficulty of the test.
I've taken plenty of open book/note tests in college and they've been incredibly difficult for that very reason.
You're not reinventing the wheel here. These things are already being done by colleges who have had online courses for a few years now.
I've taken plenty of open book/note tests in college and they've been incredibly difficult for that very reason.
You're not reinventing the wheel here. These things are already being done by colleges who have had online courses for a few years now.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:21 am to RLDSC FAN
I mentioned this before.
KMOX had some lady on, who was a big shot at one time in Education. She said she was sick to her stomach at the failing grades, and the Inner city kids are failing at record levels.
She then threw Stl and KC city schools under the bus and said it was embarrassing they have yet to even address the situation. She was claiming a 2/3 of kids were failing, and many don't even show up for video classes. And no one in family or district cares.
KMOX had some lady on, who was a big shot at one time in Education. She said she was sick to her stomach at the failing grades, and the Inner city kids are failing at record levels.
She then threw Stl and KC city schools under the bus and said it was embarrassing they have yet to even address the situation. She was claiming a 2/3 of kids were failing, and many don't even show up for video classes. And no one in family or district cares.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:24 am to SeeeeK
I can take a guess why that is happening in STL and KC without a single bit of info on the situation.
Both districts are probably extremely poor and heavily minority, which means the families are likely not to give a shite about education and the school doesn’t care because they will just promote them anyway as long as they get tax dollars for attendance.
Both districts are probably extremely poor and heavily minority, which means the families are likely not to give a shite about education and the school doesn’t care because they will just promote them anyway as long as they get tax dollars for attendance.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:28 am to RLDSC FAN
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The first report cards of the school year are arriving with many more Fs than usual
Uh, we’re almost to midterm.
The reason there are so many F’s is because so many parents DGAF about their children’s education.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:28 am to BluegrassBelle
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Our school also invested in a lockdown browser program that a lot of brick and mortar colleges use for their online courses.
Second computer fixes this.
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You can do things like reduce the time to complete the exam
Depending on the exam structure, you also have to watch for group test taking. I had an online class in college with a good friend. We would just take the test together where I start from the top, he starts from the bottom. Where ever we meet in the middle, we swap answers...then do a cursory review of the others responses and change a few of the answers.
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