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re: Russian tanks tried to hide in the woods, but oops..
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:00 am to northshorebamaman
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:00 am to northshorebamaman
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There's never been any fricking "humanity" to it. Don't kid yourself. Does two kids rolling around in the mud trying to gut each other with bayonets sound more genteel to you?
When I say “humanity” I don’t mean anything close to “genteel”. But hand to hand combat is categorically more “human” than someone thousands of miles away pressing a button and wiping out people with a drone.
And maybe I’m wrong. If the end result is someone dies, and that’s the only metric, maybe it doesn’t matter the number of computers and machines between the transaction. But something about it just sticks in my craw.
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Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:00 am to ThreauxDown11
Yeah the era of the Chinese military just being older generation Russian gear ended 2 0 years ago.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:01 am to SirWinston
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I'm rooting for the Ruskies
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SirWinston
Checks out.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:05 am to fr33manator
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But hand to hand combat is categorically more “human” than someone thousands of miles away pressing a button and wiping out people with a drone.
And maybe I’m wrong.
You're not. I get what youre saying. But those who create war aren't those who fight anyway. They're usually far removed.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:13 am to ThreauxDown11
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China is not behind Russia and may even be leading us in technological warfare.
I watched a video where an F-35 flew and lurked directly under two Iranian fighters undetected.
Granted Iran isn’t a first rate military but IMO there is no other military with that level of stealth capability. China steals our tech. Which means they are not organically discovering the means of production or management. That is a major disadvantage
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:13 am to Obtuse1
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Your romanticism of war-making was clearly formed on the bloody lyric poetry battlefield and does not come from a man that has been on an actual battlefield of mortal combat. It is some of the most tone-deaf drivel on this forum which is saying something.
No man in combat ever cared where the bullet came from that saved his life, be it from his battle buddy 10 feet away or from Creech.
You’re probably right. And if it was American boys out there I’d probably be singing a different tune. I never had an issue watching hadjis get blown to smithereens. There’s just something that bothers me about drone warfare now and I really can’t explain it. Maybe it’s the asymmetrical nature of it. Maybe it’s the technology. I just see it going in ways that will eventually turn around to bite us in the arse.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:16 am to LSUandAU
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Those tanks are sitting ducks, with many probably having been abandoned before being destroyed.
Yeah no way I'm sitting in any of those vehicles and waiting on orders. I'm parking my arse next to a tree a few hundred yards away.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:18 am to Street Hawk
Being a russian tank driver seems about as dangerous as being a rapper.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:19 am to magildachunks
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Which is what cracks me up when all these "tough" guys try to proclaim "see what happens if you try to take my guns! Ge ready for another Civil War!"
It's not going to be another human target you will face. You will be eliminated without knowing you were even a target.
Yet those same guys are the ones who relish in the pride that our military is so advanced.
What your thesis fails to account for is that, in a hypothetical civil war, many military servicemen (including some high ranking officers) will defect to the side of the rebels and take their military hardware with them. It happened in the first civil war and it is likely to happen in a hypothetical second.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:19 am to Street Hawk
I don't trust one fricking thing I see on twitter. For all I know, that wasn't even Ukraine war footage.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:24 am to fr33manator
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Maybe it’s the asymmetrical nature of it. Maybe it’s the technology. I just see it going in ways that will eventually turn around to bite us in the arse.
Well you could argue that about any style of war. In fact, it has been argued. To death. And technology has already bitten us in the arse.
But I’d rather put a missile or a drone in harms way, than a human being.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:28 am to kilo
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Barry Obama sent more drone strikes/kinetic ordnance flying into none declared combat AO's than any other president in US history.
He dropped more bombs than W.
We even ran out of bombs once.
Nobel Peace Prize.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:29 am to Street Hawk
I don’t know what to believe about this.
Looks like Russia is advancing and taking more territory every day. But our journalistas and social media platforms are all @rahrahforukraine.
So I am just going to remain withdrawn and skeptical. Because I know I’m getting sketchy information from every angle. And it has been that way for years, not just during the war in Ukraine.
Looks like Russia is advancing and taking more territory every day. But our journalistas and social media platforms are all @rahrahforukraine.
So I am just going to remain withdrawn and skeptical. Because I know I’m getting sketchy information from every angle. And it has been that way for years, not just during the war in Ukraine.
This post was edited on 3/26/22 at 8:31 am
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:30 am to RollTide1987
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What your thesis fails to account for is that, in a hypothetical civil war, many military servicemen (including some high ranking officers) will defect to the side of the rebels and take their military hardware with them. It happened in the first civil war and it is likely to happen in a hypothetical second.
That won't happen. The officer corps has been fully indoctrinated. The service academies in this country are not on your side and they're not on the side of the "America" you believe still exists.
The tendrils of progressivism have infiltrated every academic institution in this country, including the Service Academies.
And also in the first civil war, the reason the South had the best officers was because it was tradition for privileged young men to go off to West Point and the like. No such tradition existed in the North. So when the war started, these men went home and fought on the side of their home.
These traditions are dead and buried.
This post was edited on 3/26/22 at 8:32 am
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:31 am to Esquire
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What am I trying to fix? I’m just here to laugh at some Russians going to the big bread line in the sky.
Just my observation but instead gleefully chuckling at the bad Russian soldiers being obliterated you’ve preferred to take shots at people who prefer peace and not meddling in other countries business but that’s just my observation. You probably see it a different way than those evil backwoods racist Putin Patriot Trump lovers, eh komrade?
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:31 am to magildachunks
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Maybe they take Ukraine, but the "aura" of a scary Russian military is gone.
Anyone who’s familiar with Russia’s military and has studied its history, strategy and doctrine is not remotely scared of them. They have a long history of getting their shite pushed in by a variety of seemingly inferior counties. Here’s a list of countries that have kicked Russia’s arse at various times in the past two centuries:
Great Britain
France
Turkey
Germany
Japan
Austria
Bulgaria
Poland
Latvia
Estonia
Lithuania
Finland
Afghanistan
Chechnya
The Russian army has long been known as a clumsy, poorly led, poorly trained, and poorly equipped force who’s only redeeming quality is it’s sheer size and willingness to take gargantuan losses. Even in WWII where it eventually won, it took astoundingly astronomical losses throughout the war. And without massive American logistics support would have collapsed in 1942 or 43 due to inability to supply itself with things like motor transport, fuel, food, boots, communication equipment, etc. Late in the war when the Wehrmacht was a shadow of its former self, comprised primarily of old men, young boys, and Kriegsmarine & Luftwaffe personell pressed into “Volksgrenadier” and “Volkstrum” kampfgruppen, the Red Army still took entirely disproportional losses.
This post was edited on 3/26/22 at 8:35 am
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:32 am to NPComb
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You probably see it a different way than those evil backwoods racist Putin Patriot Trump lovers, eh komrade?
I voted for Trump. Don’t lump us in with you Putin cock suckers.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:33 am to Volvagia
I don’t disagree. But all the war gaming is to fight in small groups that are extremely hard to detect (and then wipe out). Armor has no place there because it’s easy to detect.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:34 am to tigerinthebueche
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But I’d rather put a missile or a drone in harms way, than a human being.
Well, yeah, when we’re on the delivering end.
I guess it’s more me thinking about when I was all gung Ho and ready to go to war (so I thought) and how it’s probably some wet behind the ears young men sitting in that tank, sent there because an oligarch wants a piece of territory.
I know Russians. I know Ukrainians. It’s kind of a “there but for the grace of god go I.” Kind of feeling
Wars naught good for but sending boys home in bags.if it was the ones making the war in the shite it would be different. But it isn’t. Hasn’t been for a long time
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:37 am to chity
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Anyone know what type of weapon was used?
The computer generated kind.
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