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Posted on 8/22/24 at 12:28 pm to Cash
It’s more involved than that. He refused to be an informant, so they went after him. They set a court date, but he was never notified and didn’t show up. The judge issued a bench warrant and sent the Marshals.
He never knew they were coming or why.
He never knew they were coming or why.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 12:37 pm to riverparish
quote:Waco is what lead to OKC, but Ruby Ridge lead to Waco.
And this is what led to the OKC bombing.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 12:42 pm to East Coast Band
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Ruby Ridge murder began today in 1992
Fify
Posted on 8/22/24 at 12:47 pm to Longhorn Actual
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They set a court date, but he was never notified and didn’t show up.
He was notified for the original court date which was changed due to it having been scheduled on a Federal holiday. The date was reset for the following day (Feb. 21). His lawyer sent him a letter about the change of date, but had the date of March 21, a month later. They issued the bench warrant and took him before the grand jury on other charges. For some reason Weaver (or his lawyer) never presented the letter with the wrong date to the grand jury as evidence. The letter did exist, it was real, but why they didn't use it to corroborate the story no one knows.
It didn't really matter, though, by that point the Feds were dead set to "get him" and Randy and family/friends had become convinced they were going to railroad him (they were going to), seize his home and land, and take his children. That all set the stage for the standoff.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:24 pm to East Coast Band
If there was social media in the early 90's between Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Richard Jewell there would have been a massive revolt. Crazy that the Boomers and Gen X that lived through that, and for the Boomers they even were of age for the Vietnam War, still believe in big government and trust the government to do the right thing.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:55 pm to lionward2014
I assure you the overwhelming majority of generation X does not believe in big government or trust them with anything. Look up punk rock.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:14 pm to lionward2014
… iraq war, covid, Russian collusion….
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:57 pm to TheRouxGuru
It was a yellow frickin lab
That dog wasn’t attacking anybody
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The dog alerted the boys to the federal agents in the woods , so the feds basically shot him to shut him up .
Also , the sawed off shotgun was 1/4 inch too much .
That dog wasn’t attacking anybody
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The dog alerted the boys to the federal agents in the woods , so the feds basically shot him to shut him up .
Also , the sawed off shotgun was 1/4 inch too much .
This post was edited on 8/22/24 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 8/23/24 at 4:53 am to RoyalAir
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Yes and no, IMO.
It is nuanced. McVeigh had an absolute hard on for Horiuchi, but did not act on this until after Waco.
Neither Randy Weaver nor David Koresh were particularly sympathetic, but they do appear to be targets of Federal over-reach. They were singled out because they were armed and held particularly niche, quasi-Christian religious beliefs. Certainly, Koresh was engaging in a wider range of (likely illegal) conduct related to his role as a cult leader.
While the Weavers were ostensibly associated (broadly) with Christian Identity and implicitly racist/white supremacist (For the record: While I do not agree with such a belief system, as an American, I assert such beliefs should be protected insofar as they do not harm others), the Branch Davidians were more of a discrete doomsday cult, splintered off from more mainstream (but still rather extreme in belief) Seventh Day Adventists.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 6:44 am to Ace Midnight
"We the People" run this country
Posted on 8/23/24 at 7:04 am to Bayou
Anyone like to recommend a good documentary to watch about this event? I was only 8 years old when it happened, but know a little about it from when it was touched on in docs about Waco and OKC bombing.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 7:36 am to Ace Midnight
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It is nuanced. McVeigh had an absolute hard on for Horiuchi, but did not act on this until after Waco.
I believe it is more accurate to say McVeigh had a hard on for 3 letter agencies. In widely available letters to his sister, Mcveigh was under the impression he was a covert operator. According to those letters he was receiving orders. Secondly, there is live news coverage out there and i believe testimony that after the explosion the search was halted, as unexploded bombs were found in the building. In the aftermath, the state of oklahoma led by many of the on scene reporters as well as the Governor, crusaded for the truth of the incident. The news station was quickly bought up by the New York Times and put to pasture. To suggest McVeigh was radicalized by these events, i don't agree with.
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(but still rather extreme in belief) Seventh Day Adventists.
Legit question, because i don't know much about them, what extreme beliefs do they hold other than Keeping the Sabbath on Saturday?
ETA video of live newsfeed.
This post was edited on 8/23/24 at 8:01 am
Posted on 8/23/24 at 8:19 am to Homey the Clown
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Anyone like to recommend a good documentary to watch about this event? I was only 8 years old when it happened, but know a little about it from when it was touched on in docs about Waco and OKC bombing.
OKC is hard to find. There is alot of good stuff on Youtube, but you have to filter through all the mainstream propoganda. try searching OKC bombing live news reports. Also search for OKC Bombing truth movement to learn about what the people of oklahoma really thought.
A great starting point for Waco is a book called Waco by David Thibodeau.
Amazon Link
The aftermath is as intriguing as the seige itself. Also Thibodeau implies here, (I believe it is here) none other than Lon Horruchi fired the first shot.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 8:23 am to PapaZulu
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what extreme beliefs do they hold other than Keeping the Sabbath on Saturday?
Really none. But they are very into prophecy and end times stuff.
I think thats where the "extremist" label comes from.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 8:23 am to Epaminondas
The Putin meme is great
but Putin would of snatched the kid to raise in Russian
and harvested the organs of the dead pushed out a window
but Putin would of snatched the kid to raise in Russian
and harvested the organs of the dead pushed out a window
Posted on 8/23/24 at 8:35 am to Deek
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Janet Reno wasn't there in August 92, was she?
She got Waco
and
Posted on 8/23/24 at 8:38 am to PapaZulu
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none other than Lon Horruchi fired the first shot.
Mass murderer behind a badge.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 9:22 am to PapaZulu
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In the aftermath, the state of oklahoma led by many of the on scene reporters as well as the Governor , crusaded for the truth of the incident.
The governor was role playing or acting or playing the game he was assigned. That governor was a slimy devious crooked politician to the core. He used his entire family as a tool to get kickbacks from almost every state activity.
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