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re: Ross Unversity Med School
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:09 pm to Parallax
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:09 pm to Parallax
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I definitely understand DO and Caribbean programs, and I would like for your to prove anything I've said is wrong
Wrong? Not necessarily. Right? That's a no as well. There are DO's and Caribbean MD's in tertiary care academic clinicals and residencies. Just because you may have not seen them or worked with them doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Like I've said, there are a lot of residency programs your girlfriend or her classmates couldn't interview at. This is fact.
I don't believe that. If the scores and intangibles are there, anyone can get an interview. As far as I know, there is no rule that says "We do not accept DO or Caribbean MD applications". Hell, many of my girlfriend's classmates turned down MD schools to attend that DO school.
I've just never understood the superiority complex some MD's have toward their DO and Caribbean peers. It's largely unfounded and based on unconfirmed beliefs about the respective programs. You make it sound like it's MD or bust and if you don't do tertiary care clinicals you won't learn anything and will be stuck in terrible, unrespected programs...and that simply isn't true.
This post was edited on 3/20/16 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:10 pm to Parallax
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That's not on par with most state schools.
Yes it is. I know it certainly is for Louisiana.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:11 pm to WeeWee
quote:No way this is true, and even of it is, still worthless. Barely passing step 1 is a death sentence, especially for a Caribbean grad.
USMLE passing rates around ~97%
quote:Another not believable and worthless stat. How many get spots outside of primary care in undesirable places? How many are prelim spots that lead nowhere?
All 3 schools have residency placement rates close to the national average for the US schools.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:15 pm to jordan21210
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I don't believe that. If the scores and intangibles are there, anyone can get an interview. As far as I know, there is no rule that says "We do not accept DO or Caribbean MD applications".
Well, it's the truth, sorry. Look up any competitive specialty at a USNews top hospital.
And the LSUs are bottom tier US MD schools.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:23 pm to jordan21210
quote:Because majority of their students didn't get into an American medical school or didnt have the stats to get in and went another direction. Much more so for the Caribbean than the DO programs obviously.
I've just never understood the superiority complex some MD's have toward their DO and Caribbean piers. It's largely unfounded and based on unconfirmed beliefs about the respective programs
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:33 pm to saderade
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Because majority of their students didn't get into an American medical school or didnt have the stats to get in and went another direction. Much more so for the Caribbean than the DO programs obviously.
Right. But it's funny because it's not like students that go to DO schools or Caribbean schools took a shortcut. At the end of the day, they are still taking and passing boards and they are still doing clinicals and they are still getting interviewed and accepted into residencies - both respected and "bottom tier". It's stupid.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:36 pm to Parallax
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Look up any competitive specialty at a USNews top hospital.
I honestly don't care. My girlfriend matched into an MD program in Louisiana which is what she and I wanted. She'll have a good career making good money, that's all that matters to me.
Sorry that you'll possibly have to work with a DO or Caribbean MD in the future. I know that must be a nightmare for you to have to deal with their ineptitude and lack if medical knowledge.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:37 pm to Parallax
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s of LSU affiliated residencies. I love my home state but we struggle getting US grads from outside of Louisiana
Competitive "out of state" students may as well not even apply to lower tier public MD schools like that.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:38 pm to member12
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The average MCAT at PCOM is 27 with a 3.5 GPA. That's on par with most state MD schools significant ahead of the HBCs like Meherry....and a far cry from most island schools.
A couple things: DO schools have different rules about MCAT retakes and GPA grade replacement. For MD schools, if you get a C in a class, you can retake it, get an A, and it'll average to a B for your AMCAS GPA. DO schools allow you to replace the C with the A. This makes it much easier to get a better GPA. Secondly, MD schools typically look at all MCAT attempts, not just the most recent. It doesn't look good to have scores like 25, 26, and 27 on three attempts. DO schools will typically take your most recent or best score. Third, I graduated from a state school and our stats were an average MCAT of 30 and GPA of 3.7. That's a very significant difference for an entire class. Apparently it's now closer to 31 and 3.8.
I'm not anti-DO, it's a much better choice than going to the Caribbean, but there's definitely a drop off due to students almost always choosing MD if given the chance.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:45 pm to jordan21210
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Yes it is. I know it certainly is for Louisiana
Some of the LSU med students I know could not get an interview at the older Osteopathic schools.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:49 pm to dewster
While that's true (the LSU schools take some URM with awful stats and LA in general doesn't have the quality of applicants other places have), if you do well at LSU your chances of getting into a competitive residency are much better than a DO or Caribbean grad. You'll still get face some bias at the top coastal places but it's at least possible to get an interview.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 11:20 pm to ctiger69
I know someone who went to Ross University for vet school. She pretty much was studying on a beach 24/7. I think it was in St. Kitt's? I'm not sure. Seemed pretty easy IMO. Not sure about the residency point yet, she hasn't reached that point yet to my knowledge.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 7:17 am to Parallax
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Ross Unversity Med School Caribbean schools are increasingly becoming a worse idea. There are new US MD schools popping up and virtually every US MD school has increased class sizes (the same is true to an even greater extent for DO schools). This means it will be harder and harder for Caribbean grads to secure residency spots, even primary care spots. A Caribbean grad will have virtually zero chance of matching any specialty that's competitive for US MDs.
That might be the case for the other caribbean schools, but the Big3/4, which Ross is a part of, that should not be a problem for the next 10 years or so.
As far as the prelim question that you asked in another post, I just checked my school's list and about 10% of the residents matched in a prelimanary program. Also since DeVry bought AUC (my school) and added an additional trimester where all you do is study for Step1 the 1st time pass rate has increased from 95% in '09 to 97% in '12 and it increased to 100% in '13 and has bounced between 98-100% the last few cycles. They don't publish what the average score is, or if they do I can't find them on the homepage or first few links on google. The lowest that I have heard of from my circle of friends was around 220, and most of my friends that took it scored 230 or better.
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This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 8:23 am
Posted on 3/21/16 at 7:20 am to danilo
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FYI. Dominica and Dominican Republic are not the same place
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Glad someone posted this. This thread was starting to bug me.
Dominica is beautiful. An eco-tourist's dream island.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 7:21 am
Posted on 3/21/16 at 7:29 am to Slinky
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She pretty much was studying on a beach 24/7. I think it was in St. Kitt's? I'm not sure. Seemed pretty easy IMO.
It's the same curriculum as state vet schools. The only difference is the beach.
You are required to do your clinicals in the states through whatever vet school you choose and can get into.
So to do your clinicals at LSU for example you only have to have above a 2.0
Which is low, but still comparable others around the US.
There is nothing easy about Vet school, regardless of where you go.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 7:41 am
Posted on 3/21/16 at 7:30 am to Parallax
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The biggest difference in a US MD and a Caribbean is clinical experience. The clinical rotations generally aren't comparable. It's important to train at a large, tertiary care center no matter what specialty you go into or what type of practice you enter after residency. Medicine is so much easier when you've been exposed to the rarest of diseases and don't just read about them in textbooks. Caribbean grads (and DOs) generally do clinicals and residency at community hospitals where their exposure is limited.
The 2 hospitals where most of my school's students do clinical rotations at are Bronx-Lebanon in NYC and the University of Miami Hospital in Miami. I set up my rotation tentative schedule (confirm it when I pass Step1 in a few months) last friday, and I am doing my 3rd year mostly at University of Miami hospital in Miami and my 4th year electives at the Cleveland Clinic in South Florida, and the rest at UF's Hospital.
Also if you think La is such a crapy place to live, why are you on the off topic board of a Louisiana State University football based site? Not everyone is stuck up snob like you, and are perfectly happy living in Louisiana or Mississippi.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 7:38 am to ctiger69
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A quick search tells me it is in the Dominica
No, No it doesn't.
Dominica and Dominican Republic are not the same.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 7:38 am to ctiger69
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Has anybody heard of this school? A quick search tells me it is in the Dominica and they basically accept everybody who applies. I think my friend is going to struggle to find a residency once he is finished. But anyways he is trying to tell my other friend, who is smart, to apply for med school at Ross. And I'm saying why would you want to go to a foreign med school especially if you are smart enough to get accepted into a US med school. Can anybody name some advantages?
The standards for Caribbean medical schools is lower, for obvious reasons. Graduates of these schools struggle to match into competitive specialties and are more likely to wind up doing primary care, which is ok. The main advantage to these schools is being able to go to med school when one otherwise would have been academically ineligible. For what it's worth, the best pediatrics resident I ever worked with was a graduate of Ross.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 8:20 am to More beer please
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It's the same curriculum as state vet schools. The only difference is the beach.
I think this is true for Ross, I have doubts about some of the other island schools.
Were you a Ross student?
Posted on 3/21/16 at 8:23 am to Slinky
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I know someone who went to Ross University for vet school. She pretty much was studying on a beach 24/7. I think it was in St. Kitt's? I'm not sure. Seemed pretty easy IMO. Not sure about the residency point yet, she hasn't reached that point yet to my knowledge
Very few vet students go on to do a residency - It is not a requirement after vet school and is ultra competitive. Most go out and become general practitioners right after school. The residency spots are for those who will specialize and work in referral based hospitals/clinics.
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