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re: Robert E. Lee's lines collapsed at Petersburg on this date 157 years ago...
Posted on 4/2/22 at 3:29 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 4/2/22 at 3:29 pm to RollTide1987
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Posted on 4/2/22 at 3:41 pm to RollTide1987
You hate to see it.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 3:57 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 4/2/22 at 8:27 pm to CSATiger
quote:
one of my GG Grandfathers was there in the 28th Ga Inf
According to service records so was one of mine, only on the opposite side - 6th Ohio Calvary.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 8:29 pm to RollTide1987
quote:...And things have been going to shite ever since.
Robert E. Lee's lines collapsed at Petersburg on this date 157 years ago...
Posted on 4/2/22 at 8:49 pm to Salviati
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Traitors become a lot more friendly after they get their asses kicked.
Yep, definitely one of those threads. Good job Meal Team Six.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 8:11 am to RollTide1987
A beautiful Sunday morning and checks watch, yep, the Confederates are still defeated and beaten.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 8:48 am to Wolfhound45
I prefer the one from The Band. It sounds better with Levon singing it.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 9:19 am to RollTide1987
It's Petersburg where Grant gets the reputation for being careless with personnel in that he goes all out for a war of attrition.
I never got why Grant choses to bypass Richmond initially . He follows Lee keeps shifting to his left and has to enact some pretty audacious engineering and logistical maneuvers. He has to cross the James. Then he decides to seige Petersburg from the East but leaves Lee's back to the West and South West where he could have escaped. I know that Sheridan is cleaning up in the Valley but still. Petersburg just seems like a poor choice to seige at and it also seems like a poor place for Lee to engage Grant
They both stop and commence engaging in the meat grinder. Lee had to know that his army could not withstand a seige and that engaging in one wherein he is the besieged puts him in a dangerous almost catastrophic position.
I never got why Grant choses to bypass Richmond initially . He follows Lee keeps shifting to his left and has to enact some pretty audacious engineering and logistical maneuvers. He has to cross the James. Then he decides to seige Petersburg from the East but leaves Lee's back to the West and South West where he could have escaped. I know that Sheridan is cleaning up in the Valley but still. Petersburg just seems like a poor choice to seige at and it also seems like a poor place for Lee to engage Grant
They both stop and commence engaging in the meat grinder. Lee had to know that his army could not withstand a seige and that engaging in one wherein he is the besieged puts him in a dangerous almost catastrophic position.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 9:27 am to RollTide1987
OBSERVATION:
(April 2, 1865): "Fighting devolved into trench warfare not that much different from that which would be seen 50 years later in France during World War I."
So, for 50 years so-called US military "tactics" remained barbaric, irrational, and suicidal "Sitting-Duck" TRENCH WARFARE?
Somebody tell me how this made sense. UNLESS there was another (darker) motive from those who controlled the actions and events.
Almost 10,000 Americans died. Most conscripted. Most under 21. Something still to grieve over.
(April 2, 1865): "Fighting devolved into trench warfare not that much different from that which would be seen 50 years later in France during World War I."
So, for 50 years so-called US military "tactics" remained barbaric, irrational, and suicidal "Sitting-Duck" TRENCH WARFARE?
Somebody tell me how this made sense. UNLESS there was another (darker) motive from those who controlled the actions and events.
quote:
Lee lost some 5,000 men killed, wounded, and captured in the action...Grant's forces suffered just under 4,000 total casualties.
Almost 10,000 Americans died. Most conscripted. Most under 21. Something still to grieve over.
This post was edited on 4/3/22 at 9:28 am
Posted on 4/3/22 at 9:34 am to Damone
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yep, the Confederates are still defeated and beaten.
Yeah = Woo-Hoo!! huh??
I don't get you people. Exactly who won -- and what?? What's the Victory Lap about?
Guess who actually "won"? LGQBT, NWO and (non-existent) "Secret Society" -- who then as now are STILL America's Overlords.
IRONY-PILL: How's THAT worked out for us?
Posted on 4/3/22 at 9:45 am to KiwiHead
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I never got why Grant choses to bypass Richmond initially . He follows Lee keeps shifting to his left and has to enact some pretty audacious engineering and logistical maneuvers. He has to cross the James. Then he decides to seige Petersburg from the East but leaves Lee's back to the West and South West where he could have escaped. I know that Sheridan is cleaning up in the Valley but still. Petersburg just seems like a poor choice to seige at and it also seems like a poor place for Lee to engage Grant
Richmond was never the objective. The objective was getting Lee's army out into the open where it could be destroyed. If he takes Petersburg, he cuts Richmond off from the rest of the South because it's a super important railroad junction. You cut that lifeline and Richmond becomes untenable, thus forcing Lee to attack in a desperate bid to re-take the city. They get slaughtered by the Union army's overwhelming firepower as a result.
That was what Grant was trying to do anyway.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 10:07 am to Liberator
Quite the melt there baw. Most of us got over the war 150 something years ago.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 10:33 am to RollTide1987
He forces Lee out, but at an unnecessary cost....and Lee doesn't get excoriated enough for continuing the fight when he KNOWS by the late summer of 1864 that Grant and the overall union strategy has put him in check. He's effectively confined in central Virginia by this time and even with mixed results for the Union in the Shenandoah it's disruptive enough to create supply problems for feeding his army.
Really, after Gettysburg, Lee is just playing a cat and mouse game against Union forces
Really, after Gettysburg, Lee is just playing a cat and mouse game against Union forces
Posted on 4/3/22 at 11:53 am to Wolfhound45
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Joan Baez | The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
Terrible. She doesn't even get the words right
The Band version is the only version
Posted on 4/3/22 at 11:57 am to RollTide1987
only a month more until...
Posted on 4/3/22 at 12:11 pm to The Boat
quote:I knew I was going to get the push back the minute I posted her cover
Terrible.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 12:11 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Cold Harbor has entered the chat.
It's Petersburg where Grant gets the reputation for being careless with personnel in that he goes all out for a war of attrition.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 12:12 pm to sta4ever
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Quite the melt there baw. Most of us got over the war 150 something years ago.
Weird take. I'm not the one "melting" (or doing cartwheels on the 150 year old graves.) These CWI threads are rolling up in the OT like clockwork (as the Republic ironically gasps its last dying breath in 2022.)
All I am doing is holding up mirror to all the baws who actually believe something (good) was "won" or gained.
REMINDER: History (and its narrative) is written fully by the Victors (who necessarily lie and sugar-coat the stakes, "heroes" and villains.)
This post was edited on 4/3/22 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 4/3/22 at 12:16 pm to RollTide1987
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