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re: Reminder of exactly what the signers and founders of this nation were putting on the line.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:05 am to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:05 am to Mike da Tigah
quote:This was the feel-good propaganda that we were sold on from the beginning. We Americans love to relish in our own grander, beat our chest at the perceived purity of our founding.
but what does exist is a country steeped in an idea of freedom and liberty for humanity away from government intrusion, and not only is that rare, it’s ground breaking unbelievable,
The question is, did it ever really exist or was it just a selling point to get the masses on board? We certainly see this type of herding played out to perfection today. Is this a new phenomenon or have we been hoodwinked from the beginning?
That's up for debate.
quote:Don't forget that it was bitching and complaining that led to a revolution that started this country in the first place.
and the only thing they have to offer is bitching and complaining, and division.
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:08 am to TX Tiger
The Fourth of July is a fantastic Rorschach test and self identifier, as evidenced by this thread.
This post was edited on 7/4/23 at 10:08 am
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:08 am to TX Tiger
quote:I prefer relish on my hotdog...
We Americans love to relish in our own grander
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:09 am to The Pirate King
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But seriously the focus has been taken off of what’s best for our country and become about what’s best for each person
This sounds familiar. Like it was paraphrased from some speech I’ve heard.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:09 am to Jcorye1
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This. We have gone way, way too far expecting every past great man to be perfect. Part of what makes these events and the people who partook in them great is because humans are inherently flawed.
And why the Constitution is written in such a way that it can be amended because they admitted they were flawed. It was created to be a document to change with the times.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:10 am to VirgilCaine
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Ok, so what’s your point?
the point is that the statement that the other guy made is incorrect... we have a pretty clear indication that their intent of the majority of the signer was not the liberty of all men, but rather the liberty of men that were like them...
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:12 am to grizzlylongcut
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Where are our Jeffersons? Where are our Washingtons? Where are our Adams? Where are our Hancocks? Those men knew what it meant to sign their name and signed regardless. Where are our torch-bearers of liberty in this day and age!
Well. We're already free. You can't fight for freedom when you already have it.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:15 am to chRxis
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we have a pretty clear indication that their intent of the majority of the signer was not the liberty of all men, but rather the liberty of men that were like them...
And yet, due to the ideals laid out by those devils, slavery was abolished in this country.
Similarly, through those same principles, we did not suffer a second national divorce during the civil rights era.
For those who constantly want to tear down the founders, and their perceived motivations, why?
Do you want to completely remove the basis that allowed for the amending of our society? What’s the alternative?
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:16 am to LSURussian
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We Americans love to relish in our own grander
I prefer relish on my hotdog...
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:16 am to TX Tiger
Ah, here come the edgy critics who think they're intellectual thought leaders because they ask profound questions about our history on the internet.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:17 am to TheWalrus
Those rich white men, created a philosophy and form of government that has enriched mankind. As our government and society developed within the framework they created, white men, rich and poor, did more for minorities, especially blacks, than any society has ever done anywhere else on the planet.
The transfer of wealth, the redistribution of assets, the creation of opportunity for minorities in this country is beyond impressive. It is staggering. And it has all come at the expense of the establishment, i.e. white society. Going back now, and disparaging the people who created this framework and articulated this philosophy is both stupid and self-destructive.
The transfer of wealth, the redistribution of assets, the creation of opportunity for minorities in this country is beyond impressive. It is staggering. And it has all come at the expense of the establishment, i.e. white society. Going back now, and disparaging the people who created this framework and articulated this philosophy is both stupid and self-destructive.
This post was edited on 7/4/23 at 10:19 am
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:18 am to grizzlylongcut
Unfortunately, we are not the same country anymore. I fear the United State of America is on that same path as the Romans.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:18 am to sugar71
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sugar71
frick off loser.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:19 am to rintintin
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profound questions
It’s just the critical analysis imprinted on them by a professor of American History their freshman year.
They read Zinn one time and decided they would forever be the smartest person in the room.
Likely bought a turtleneck around this time as well to go with their fedora.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:23 am to TX Tiger
Is grander something like dander for old folks?
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:23 am to TX Tiger
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This was the feel-good propaganda that we were sold on from the beginning. We Americans love to relish in our own grander, beat our chest at the perceived purity of our founding.
Lulz…
Listen, bub, it could all be rationalized as propaganda by definition. Does that mean that the writers of these documents weren’t serious about what they were saying?
“Common Sense” and “The American Crisis” were straight up propaganda, and they were very effective at furthering (disagree if you will) a just cause.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:28 am to rintintin
quote:Your inferiority complex is showing. If you consider my post "a profound question" then I have to assume you don't do much critical thinking on your own, hence, deflection rather than discussion.
Ah, here come the edgy critics who think they're intellectual thought leaders because they ask profound questions about our history on the internet.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:46 am to TheWalrus
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Apparently only rich white men were free by nature though
Cool, Susan B Anthony was a racist too, but she secured women's rights. Did you know that MLK Jr. was a plagiarist? Fantastic, but he helped an entire generation of people obtain rights too.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:49 am to VirgilCaine
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18th century colonial landowners had slaves. Stunning revelation.
Next thing you know, he will start renouncing African tribes during the same time period for selling people's that they conquered.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:53 am to chRxis
So here’s the next question. Where on this planet is the black man better off? Where is his native genius, incredible industry and ability to benefit society more widely recognized?
Is it his native Africa? Asia? The Middle East? Or is it Europe, which is now being torn apart by immigration and racism?
Is there any civilized country that thinks its problems can be solved by more blacks? Is there any society on earth made more cohesive by the addition of diversity“?
Be humble and count your blessings
Is it his native Africa? Asia? The Middle East? Or is it Europe, which is now being torn apart by immigration and racism?
Is there any civilized country that thinks its problems can be solved by more blacks? Is there any society on earth made more cohesive by the addition of diversity“?
Be humble and count your blessings
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