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re: Recycling is and has always been a scam

Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by TheWalrus
Land of the Hogs
Member since Dec 2012
48131 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:50 pm to
We don’t even have recycling
Posted by MojoGuyPan
Intercession City, Florida
Member since Jun 2018
2797 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:59 pm to
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I’ve visited Vietnam a few times and I noticed that the locals reuse plastic bottles. For glass bottles, they send cases of it off to the soda distributors and they get cleaned and rebottled. Whole new definition of recycle.


That's actually old school US recycling. I used to kill it getting back the deposits.
Posted by Volt
Midway Island, N Pacific Ocean
Member since Nov 2009
3278 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:02 pm to
60 Minutes did a piece on this in December 2018.
That's when I realized that plastic recycling was a sham, but I still do it.

The show focused on the effects of plastics in the oceans. They sent a crew to Midway Island in the North Pacific Ocean and showed all the crap that washes ashore there.

I had just landed on Midway two days before the crew arrived. After 18 weeks on Midway, I realized that there's a lot of crap floating around out there and that the fishing and shipping industry were MAJOR contributors.

Midway was an awesome place and hope to be headed back there later this year.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 5:03 pm
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:06 pm to
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Yep. It makes people feel better though


just like spending trillions upon trillions of dollars for viruses
Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
2864 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:20 pm to
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Well, 10% is actually getting recycled. Not great but still be

Not when you factor in the massive carbon footprint of the huge gas guzzling trucks picking up at houses, taking it to a plant where carbon producing machinery separates the 10% and then more large gas guzzling trucks drive it out to the landfill.
Posted by Cincinnati Bowtie
Sparta
Member since May 2008
11951 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:32 pm to
Shell Norco has a new unit that will use plastic as a feed stock. Not sure how clean it has to be.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21964 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:39 pm to
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Shell Norco has a new unit that will use plastic as a feed stock. Not sure how clean it has to be.


Feed stock? What’s that?

I thought that if it was properly incinerated, plastics could be used efficiently to produce energy. Is that what you’re talking about?
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11830 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:49 pm to
I’ve got a couple of very green friends. They do all the right stuff, try to buy local etc.

...except they don’t recycle. It’s mostly a hoax and can actually expend more resources than it saves.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
25975 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:22 pm to
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You can recycle plastic soda bottles, water bottles, milk jugs, glass bottles and really that’s about it. The rest is “mixed plastic” and goes to landfills, and always has, and always will.


So, no aluminum cans...is essentially what you’re saying.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
82455 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:26 pm to
Not an out and out scam. But highly overrated.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3887 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:39 pm to
I have to pay for trash bags to put my actual trash bags in, so that the town will pick them up.

I’m my case, recycling saves me money, so I cram as much shite in that wheelybin as possible.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
57555 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:50 pm to
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Whats the environmental impacted collecting and sifting through the 90% of shite you can't recycle to get to that 10%? I doubt it's worth it to recycle 10%.

This is what people don’t realize. It might actually be bad for the environment. We should tax the living shite out of plastic. It’s friggin stupid that so many people can’t drink tap water. Bunch of fricking pussies, as George Carlin pointed out. Kids too, and millenials. Same mother frickers who won’t GET OFF MY LAWN!
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
25118 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:08 pm to
Sugar does cause obesity dumb frick. Credibility shot
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122534 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:38 pm to
I watched something.. Maybe it was a 60 mins segment or something else.. It was a year or so ago.. It was about what really happens to the items you put in the recycle bind to be recycled. In short, it pretty much ends up with the rest of the garbage. Its complete bullshite.
Posted by Emteein
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
4006 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:47 pm to
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TutHillTiger


Also, you should know that us Americans not using plastic straws, grocery bags, etc has basically no effect on the total plastic in the ocean. Because truth be told that plastic ain’t ours. 90% of the oceans plastic can be traced to 10 rivers, those rivers are in Asia and Africa. So, as soon as they decide to do something about it our efforts really don’t matter.

Posted by Bristol Dawg
God's Country
Member since Jul 2016
2934 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:04 pm to
Even though we’re getting better. Like with most plastic, if it’s not being paid for, it’s a useless process.
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:30 pm to
I can tell you guys a secret.
Even the recycling facilities throw alot of recycling waste in the landfill as it has been contaminated with food or regular garbage.

All the solid waste hauling services do is give a discount the second can due to the truck coming to dump the first can anyway. Usually lighter than normal trash unless you deal with a bar with glass bottles. Recycling material in smaller markets it is not uncommon to do this as it cost too much to haul to a recycling center.

Companies sell this to governments as an add on to make more money.
Guess what hippies you are not saving that much life on a typical landfill.

Posted by 2geaux
Georgia
Member since Feb 2008
2770 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:59 pm to
My business partner lost over $800k in a separate recycling business. Chinese buyers told him they would take all he could get. They didn't!
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49872 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:14 am to
It was a complete scam designed by my good friends at Mostly Former Nazi chemical companies like Dupont, Bayer etc because sales were starting to go down in the 70s. The crying Indian commercial was even a scam to deflect attention from the issue, it’s not their fault it’s ours.

It was never intended to work but just look like it worked. The same percentage of plastic shite that was recycled in the 70s (10%) is what we have today.

And we replaced glass bottles which were actually recycled a ton. (Anyone else remember getting a nickel or dime a bottle. I bought many a candy bar or comic book by bring bottles in.)

It only appeared to work for a while as the Chinese would buy it all and then take out the 10% as they were so starved for resources for decade or so. The other 90% they dumped into ocean or landfills, so a lot of that shite dumped 5000 miles away is still our shite.

That’s how your buddy got screwed, after a while they quit buy the shite.



Posted by madmaxvol
Infinity + 1 Posts
Member since Oct 2011
22488 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 7:48 am to
Aluminum is the exception. It takes considerably less energy to recycle aluminum than it does to extract it from bauxite, and it is highly recoverable.
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