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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:57 pm to Joshjrn
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They understand it; how many business owners/managers open up their books to their employees to show that math? More or fewer than the number of owners/managers who lie about not being able to give a raise because they "just can't afford it"?
Then get skills and leave. Open your own business. There’s a shite ton of SBA capital out there. Then you’ll do your own math.
And if you do, I doubt very seriously you’ll “open up the books” to your employees.
Not willing to take that risk? Then STFU.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:59 pm to JudgeHolden
Clearly you don't know what investing means. ROI does come immediately And not everyone is a producer. Is the CEO of certain corporations really worth 50 million a year plus stock options? Is that extra .5 percent raise on Dividend really worth not giving your employees a cost of living wage?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:59 pm to JudgeHolden
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Kiss my fricking arse.
No one gave me a goddamn thing. If I were born in your generation, I’d have had the same knowledge.
Hell, I’d probably have more. I didn’t have an internet that gives me access to every single body of knowledge on earth.
Ignorant and delusional. Look at the state of the world you were born into.
No one in history has been born into a better economic world than the boomers and the boomers believe there was something special about them.
Large population = lots of workers, lots of capital, lots of consumers, lots of opportunity. The boomers were the single largest generation of people to ever have been born and they happened to come at a perfect time when the world had just fallen into a peace after a major war. The boomers never had to go off and fight in any major wars and they had no major generational catastrophes to deal with like the great depression or Spanish flu.
There's a reason China is about to collapse and its because their boomers didn't have any kids.
No kids = no workers = no products = no consumers = no economy.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:01 pm to JudgeHolden
Imagine being some awesome business owner but getting worked up on the OT on a Friday night. 
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:01 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:They'll leave regardless. And you’ll be spinning your tires going through new hire after new hire after new hire wondering why they’re leaving. When the simple solution is pay them more or be honest, open your books and show why you can’t.
Then get skills and leave
At the end of the day, you don’t want to pay them more because you want to take home more. Which is your right as a business owner but it’s also their right to tell you to frick off and quit.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:01 pm to JudgeHolden
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Then get skills and leave. Open your own business. There’s a shite ton of SBA capital out there. Then you’ll do your own math.
And if you do, I doubt very seriously you’ll “open up the books” to your employees.
Not willing to take that risk? Then STFU.
That was a really long winded way of acknowledging the pertinent information asymmetry and that employees have absolutely zero fricking reason to just assume that they are being paid commensurate with the value that they bring, simply out of the goodness of their employer's heart. And when they believe they aren't, they fricking quit. You know, the thing that business owners are currently crying their eyes out over
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:03 pm to magildachunks
quote:I couldn't do that for 7 months, but I've done that for two months before.
It's impossible to work 84 hours a week. And to do it every week for 7 months?
I was miserable.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:04 pm to sawtooth
Fricking gen Z renaming stuff we been doing for generations and calling it their own
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:04 pm to tiggerthetooth
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No one in history has been born into a better economic world than the boomers and the boomers believe there was something special about them.
GTFO.
Interest rates for homes were 18% when I started. Inflation was rampant. I worked the 4 am shift at a delivery company to pay for college. The Union had just sold out the younger workers so that the guy hired the year before me made a lot more than I did.
Live in your delusion and you’ll still be bitching about your pay in ten years. Play the victim and you’ll be one.
In the meantime, frick you.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:05 pm to Joshjrn
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You know, the thing that business owners are currently crying their eyes out over
Business owner- “This is all we can afford to pay you. We literally can’t afford a penny more”
Employee- “Source?”
Business owner- “Trust me, bro”
Employee- *quits*
Business owner-
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:06 pm to JudgeHolden
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Interest rates for homes were 18% when I started.
What was the rate on your savings account of CD's?
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I worked the 4 am shift at a delivery company to pay for college
You can do that now, live in the ghetto, and still have $30-50k in student loans
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Live in your delusion and you’ll still be bitching about your pay in ten years. Play the victim and you’ll be one.
It's ok to realize you were dealt a really good hand, but you still have to play it correctly. Maybe you did, and that's great.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:06 pm to Joshjrn
What makes you think the business owner actually has a good product? Maybe it is their fault for having a shitty end product. Maybe you got too much debt. Maybe your expectations are out of line. Maybe you could be more efficient by investing tech or whatever else it may to be the bottom line but you are a shitty business owner and blames employees.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:06 pm to JudgeHolden
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GTFO.
Interest rates for homes were 18% when I started. Inflation was rampant. I worked the 4 am shift at a delivery company to pay for college. The Union had just sold out the younger workers so that the guy hired the year before me made a lot more than I did.
Live in your delusion and you’ll still be bitching about your pay in ten years. Play the victim and you’ll be one.
In the meantime, frick you.
And when you did this in 1949, the currency wasn't completely devalued, paw paw
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:07 pm to Joshjrn
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That was a really long winded way of acknowledging the pertinent information asymmetry and that employees have absolutely zero fricking reason to just assume that they are being paid commensurate with the value that they bring, simply out of the goodness of their employer's heart.
And you call me long winded? I thought that monstrosity of a sentence would never end.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:07 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:Must be nice. This is literally impossible now
I worked the 4 am shift at a delivery company to pay for college.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:09 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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What was the rate on your savings account of CD's?
You think I was up at 3 in the fricking morning going to work because I had savings or CDs?
Have you ever eaten a rice sandwich because you were broke?
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:09 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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This is literally impossible now
Why?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:10 pm to upgrayedd
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And when you did this in 1949, the currency wasn't completely devalued, paw paw
It was 79, and yes it was.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:12 pm to HeLeakin
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When companies sign contracts with clients, they do what's in the scope of work of that agreement. You want something outside of the job description? Pay up bitch.
I don't disagree, but aside from favoritism and nepotism going above and beyond is how one raises their station in life. The same people who do the bare minimum are the ones who are complaining they work shitty jobs for years. I don't care about doing the absolute minimum but don't expect society to cover for your shortcomings.
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